Andromeda. Magog were a race of evil evil doers who reproduced by laying eggs in people and causing them to die horribly.
One of the main cast was a Magog priest who wasn't evil like the rest of his race.
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Andromeda. Magog were a race of evil evil doers who reproduced by laying eggs in people and causing them to die horribly.
One of the main cast was a Magog priest who wasn't evil like the rest of his race.
You mean a "fable?:
They're an alien species. Let them be alien.
I'm sure they're gonna figure heavily here as antagonists. I hope they're terrible.
It feels odd to do an anti-xenophobia episode and then reveal, "No, they're the Yuuzhan Vong plus xenomorphs."
"It's odd to do an anti-xenophobia episode and then reveal that actually they are worthy of being xenophobic against."
Not sure you took the point of the episode tbh. The point is Kirk would have shown mercy towards the Vong as well.
The point being that the Vong ARE aggressive crazy people. While the Gorn aren't supposed to be. At least that being my take.
The Gorn are aliens and very different from human beings. They do what's natural for them according to their own values.
I'm bored with more recent Treks, where it's understood that all conflicts are simple matters of encouraging the other neighbors on your culdesac to take proper care of their lawns.
I'm bored with more recent Treks, where it's understood that all conflicts are simple matters of encouraging the other neighbors on your culdesac to take proper care of their lawns.
They lure a ship to destroy it.
The Gorn make quite satisfactory villains, both as seen in “Arena” and as described in “Strange New Worlds”. Kirk accepting that Cestus III massacre was what the Gorn saw as a legitimate defensive measure and choosing not to kill one in no way negates that. And as with the Klingons or Romulans, their regularly acting as vicious enemies we have to fight doesn’t preclude the idea that if we can make peace with them, we should try to.
I found this in a transcript (no time to watch the episode right now):
"I heard, postwar, the Klingons are growing their hair again."
Yes, but it doesn't say that's why they shaved their heads.
McCoy meant that the Federation colony on Cestus III might have been established in Gorn space and that it could be case that the Federation should have known that ahead of time.
That would imply that the Federation already had some knowledge of the Gorn, before the colony on Cestus III was established.
They’re the Magog now?
I thought the exact same thing when I saw that.
I wonder if STRANGE NEW WORLDS will be for the Gorn like ENTERPRISE was for the Andorians.
I was thinking of something similar, the Presger from the Ancillary Justice novels, who had massive technological supremacy and did horrific things to humans they came across until they decided humans were “significant” and it was no longer appropriate to interfere with human life in such a way. The Presger concept is “significance” is extremely opaque to humans, though, so pretty much the zeroth commandment of interstellar politics is to never, ever do anything that might cause the Presger to reconsider that judgement.
There’s not really space to do it in the SNW timeframe considering “Arena” (which is why they should just do a ground-up Star Trek remake…), but it would be an interesting sci-fi plot if the Gorn didn’t recognize humans as being people, similar to humans in the present day beginning to realize many animals are more like us in terms of their interiority than we give them credit for.
Well, we now have Disco which claims Section 31 was called in to deal with the Gorn when Cestus III was first colonized by humans. For all we know, the Gorn did try do establish peaceful communications, but Section 31 were all "fuck that."
Knowing Section 31 was involved definitely provides context for why the Gorn were the way they were in Arena.
Hey remember when Arena was first contact for the Gorn? Good times. Good times. They should have just made all Nu Trek an alternate time line and/or reimagining and avoided all this. They would have been free to do what ever they wanted and not interfere with canon. Or at least have a good reason why the retcon doesn't mess things up. It would have just been just as easy to invent a new race but they went the fan service route with out actually doing the fan service.
It wasn't. Fan assumption.
That poor Gorn captain in "Arena" sounded like he had a really bad head cold.
Avoided all what?
Canon is whatever is onscreen. Canon frequently contradicts other canon.
Why do that?
This is the Trek 23rd century, in 2020. The original version of the Trek (never specified during the run of the series) century was different.
It's not at all complex.
Did you know that Tolkien changed an important bit of The Hobbit in later editions in order to make it fit better with The Lord of The Rings books that he was writing?
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