Spoilers The Good Place Season 4

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  1. tomalak301

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    That was one of the most special episodes of this show I think I've ever seen. Welcome back Chidi, and boy what a welcome back that was. I'm almost shaken by that ending.
     
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  2. Kirk Prime

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    Great episode last night. I agree with others that the last two have been on point.

    Also, Defending Your Life was a brilliant movie.

    As for a system, that's a good existential question. I believe that if you live a good life, you should be in whatever the Good Place is. The bad place should be reserved for people who committed irredeemable acts, like the Hitlers, or the bin Ladens of the world. Murderers, rapists, and the like.

    But for most people, even bad people, there could be a path to redemption. How to judge that would be beyond my pay grade.

    Yet I think the vast majority of people should make it.

    One thing that I find interesting is that if these people are dead for 300 years, that means everyone they ever knew is also dead. So why is it that no one is asking about their families?

    If I were in that situation, I would almost know instantly that I wasn't in the Good Place because I wouldn't be with the people that I care about. 300 years later and I would be looking for my parents, my grandparents, and relatives I never knew.
     
  3. Romulan_spy

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    Yeah, the episode was executed perfectly. It really fleshed out the Chidi character and completed his character arc beautifully. And that ending was wonderful. What a line! "There is no "answer". But Eleanor is the answer." :wah:

    And based on that note, I think Chidi may provide the philosophical framework but it will be Eleanor who actually comes up with the new point system and saves humanity in the end.
     
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  4. JD

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    Definitely agree with you guys about this episode. It was nice to get a such deep dive on Chidi.
    I figured it was all going to be flashbacks to his life, so I was pleasantly surprised when we actually got new scenes set during the series.
    I love that we actually had Jason giving him actual real, decent advice, in his own unique way of course.
    I'm very curious how his not is going to come into play with his plan for the new afterlife system.
    Just because it's been 300 for them, doesn't mean it has been on Earth. Remember Jeremy Bearimy.
     
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  5. Markonian

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    I think it’s because the charity idea was so awesome that she received lots of good points. But because her sister dealt with the implementation, they bad points associated with that didn’t join Mindy’s ledger.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    JirinPanthosa means that when we first met Mindy and we assumed that the points system was fair, her predicament seemed possible, but after season 3, when we found out that the points system was bad, where we lose a million points a day just from waking up, it's bizarre that Mindy dug her way out of a bottomless hole of an awful life + a rigged system.
     
  7. Markonian

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    Exactly. Which is why I think conceiving of the charity was so amazing it out-did Mindy's negative points. Whereas the negative points resulting from creating & maintaining such a charity went to her sister.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    You're not actually devising or figuring anything out Markonian, you're just repeating a fact from the script.
     
  9. JirinPanthosa

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    Yeah, and that explanation made perfect sense before we found out that nobody got in the Good Place for 500 years. Whatever good points she would have gotten shouldn’t have passed the threshold.
     
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  10. JD

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    Sounds like this might be a case of the writers making things up as they went along, and not considering what they'd already established.
     
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  11. JirinPanthosa

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    Yeah but I wish after they changed it, they'd drop us an in universe explanation.
     
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  14. JD

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    Yeah, I was a little surprised it took them this long, since the show's been a hit pretty much from the start, and it's exactly the kind of show they seem to like.
     
  15. Takeru

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    When the accountant saw Doug Forcett's 500.000 something points he initially thought Doug was doing good until he saw his age which means if Doug was younger and kept generating points at the same pace he'd make it into the good place. We don' know how young he assumed Doug to be but I doubt he thought he was a child. So let's assume he thought he was in his 30s, that could put the threshold at a million points (and a million points is reachable in a few decades with only 50 points per day, so it's not an impossible number in a fair system).

    Maybe Mindy's charity idea generated 2 million points, enough to cancel out everything she did before and catapult her over the finish line. It was also one of the rare big ticket items that made the good place people get off their asses and actually do more than write a letter and maybe that's the real difference, that someone from the good place fought for her (and was removed from the committee a day later so it never happened again).
     
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  17. JD

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    Tonight is the mid-season premiere, and just as an FYI it's going to be on a half hour earlier now, 7:30/8:30, instead of 8:00/9:00.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    Jason playing with the clicker. :)
     
  19. The Nth Doctor

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    Holy shirtballs, you guys! I never thought in a million billion trillion years after all of the references to Justified that Timothy Olyphant would then appear on the show as himself (but actually acting like Raylan). :eek: :lol: :luvlove:

    I imagine that gag won't work nearly as good for those who haven't watched Justified, but as a big fan of the show, I ate up every moment. Good to know Timothy Olyphant is a good sport. :D

    As for the rest of the episode, I had a hunch Michael would finally get Shawn to turn around with the idea that Shawn loves a good fight. And really that makes the most sense in getting Shawn to go along with this.

    Chidi is the idea guy. I bet it's all Eleanor and Tahani who implement this mad plan.

    Pure Jason. :guffaw:
     
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  20. The Nth Doctor

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