Spoilers The Good Place Season 4

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  1. Mojochi

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    So it premiered last night, & then it went up on NBC's streaming service today, which is where I'll be watching it, while very much appreciating there still being some shows that continue to be streamed without you having to pay for another stupid platform, because you watch one show on their network.

    Anyhow, I liked it. A couple interesting twists. I gotta say, & it isn't much of a spoiler, because they did a bit to set her up last season, but I wonder about Simone, not so much about the current dilemma they're in with her, but about the eventual dilemma that no one has thought about yet, which is that, at her core, she really isn't that bad of a person, from what we know of her. She doesn't really need to improve all that much imho. She's already a much better person than any of our main four were, when they 1st came there.

    In that way, maybe she's the most pernicious challenge of them all, sending them a person who honestly wasn't that bad to begin with, & was doomed to go to the bad place, mostly because the system is set up to favor people failing. That's going to make the improving her part very hard, & could lower the bell curve, so to speak. I mean, with the other people we're seeing them tackle, there is a LOT of room for improvement, assuming they can get through to them & begin doing so... but with Simone? She should already be in the good place, imho.

    To date, what's the worst you could say about her? She's apparently an Atheist? That actually shouldn't factor in all that much, because it's not about what you believe, but about the intrinsic value of your actions, which seem like they were mostly good

    This all assumes we're going headlong into this experiment, without it getting turned on its ear, which is very likely to happen, given how quickly the last experiment went off the rails, with the reboot at the beginning of season 2. This may go a whole different direction still
     
  2. tomalak301

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    What happened at the end? My recording got cut off when they were standing near the train. Some of the comments I saw made me a little confused.
     
  3. Mojochi

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    Not sure where it cut off, but Michael & Janet put the demon (Chris?) onto the train, while Bad Janet berated Eleanor for not having figured it out. Then Michael & Janet come off. Michael does a whole bit about sending Shawn a "Booyah" comeback, & they walk off screen, then the trains pulls out & the screen reads "To be continued"

    the episode can still be streamed from here https://www.nbc.com/the-good-place/video/a-girl-from-arizona/4034639

    If that is the Michael doppelganger, from the bad place, it's a damn good one, because it really seemed like him to me, being all corny like he does. It's possible though, & Janet was suspiciously silent, but we don't know anything about them having a Janet doppelganger, & it wasn't bad Janet in disguise, because she was in the scene. It's a long shot that one of them was replaced imho, but not out of the realm of possibility
     
  4. tomalak301

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    Just watched the ending. It got cut off after the first Booyah so it wasn't too much. He might have been replaced, considering his reaction to Bad Janet at the end.
     
  5. The Nth Doctor

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    Why would Bad Janet be in the Michael skin? We know from the last episode that Shawn gave Vicky the Michael skin, so if it's a Michael doppelganger, then it'll be Vickiy pretending to be him.
     
  6. Mojochi

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    You know, now that I think about it, the one commonality of this show is that any time they have an "Experiment", it almost always goes completely sideways. Season one was an experiment, & it didn't go as planned. Then he planned to reboot them & try again in season 2, but it went totally whackadoodle. Then they planned to prove everyone could get better on Earth in season 3, but that went off the deep end pretty quickly. So the odds are that within an episode or two, we are way off the rails for this new experiment

    Who was saying that? I just meant Janet hasn't likely been replaced by Bad Janet, because we see them both
     
  7. The Nth Doctor

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    I guess I misread your post when you said "it wasn't bad Janet in disguise."
     
  8. tomalak301

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    I had to go back and watch that scene because I forgot it was Vicky in the suit. And I watched that episode again last week to get ready for the final season.
     
  9. EnderAKH

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    To cross post my reply into the correct thread, the reason I thought there was some tricky business:
    For me, it was:
    • The inclusion of the Michael skin suit bit in the previously on.
    • Bad Janet tells them to let Chris go and Michael makes a big deal about putting him on the train themselves.
    • He and Janet disappear with no shots of them or sound from them on the train.
    • Janet is silent after getting off the train.
    • Michael makes a point about telling Shawn "Booyah," ostensibly a call back to Pandemonium, but could also be a signal from the demon (likely Vicki, finally a meaty part for her) to Shawn that the switch was executed.
    I could be wrong, but it all felt super weird to me.
     
  10. Jayson1

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    Maybe Simone has a dark secret we don't know about. Jason
     
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    Loved the “Kars for Kids” as the official song of the Bad Place. I do find that song annoying. LOL
     
  12. JirinPanthosa

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    Michael being switched is plausible. It's been established though that if Janet stops concentrating for a second the entire village collapses, so it can't be her.
     
  13. Mojochi

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    They would've had to do something to Janet, if she was in there while they abducted Michael though. I'm not saying that makes it impossible, but it does make it a stretch in my view
     
  14. EnderAKH

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    She was silent, so it's possible they have her on magnets, maybe?
     
  15. Mojochi

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    lol, then she'd be drunk Janet, & hardly silent. I think the only way it works is if she's been replaced too somehow
     
  16. bigdaddy

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    Oh give them time! When 'Peacock' streaming starts up next year I'm certain all their shows will be behind the paywall.

    Thankfully The Good Place will be over by then.
     
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    I'm pretty sure they'll continue to let you watch the current seasons for free on their regular websites, you'll just need to get Peacock/Disney+/HBO Max is you want to watch past seasons. That's how it's worked with the stuff they put on Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon Prime and I'm pretty sure they'll stick to it.
     
  18. Mojochi

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    I'm certain you are right. It's fitting then that this is the only thing I care about on there, & it's getting out just in time
     
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    Did anyone else find Jason a bit odd at the beginning of the episode? He just seemed kind of un-Jason like. It might be that Derek kind of occupies some of the "wacko" space Jason used to have all to himself. When Jason first started to speak, I thought, they must have heard me complaining about how one dimensional the character was. :lol:

    Yeah, I think we may find that Simone, like Tahani and Chidi, has something in her background that isn't apparent that would explain why she ended up in the Not Good Place.

    I felt bad for Eleanor when Chidi forgot her name. That little look of pain on her face was perfect.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    We are all going to find the blu-rays at a garage sale, 5 years after they stopped making blu-ray players.
     
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