Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[DarthPipes]

I watched the Supergirl premiere today and it's yet another show that is better and more fun than The Flash is right now. I think The Flash is the fourth best superhero show on the CW. That's how much they have allowed it to decline since the end of Season 1.

For the second straight season, the main threat to Central City is because of Barry's stupidity and selfishness. I don't consider somebody who has to put out their own fire to be a hero.

 

[kirk55555]

Barry is an idiot, but still better then Oliver the Undecided (Will he kill or won't he? Who is he in a relationship with now? Does this show even have a plot anymore). As for the actual show, I didn't like the first two episodes but if The Flash has restored the status quo after episode 2 (minus the irritating cop played by Draco), then its automatically still the best CW show in my opinion. To be fair, I loathe Supergirl and hate Arrow after season 2/3, so the only real competition for The Flash in my opinion is Legends of Tomorrow, and it wasn't even really a contest between them back when LoT was actually good.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think its obvious how this is going to go.

 

[Christopher]

This is my favorite episode of the season so far. Better written than the first two, more character-focused and emotional, and I loved the positivity of the resolution, how it came down to understanding and helping Magenta rather than punching her or something. And it did a good job of balancing all the various character subplots it had going. And Flashpoint has given them a clever way to introduce upgrades that they've "had all along," like the Speed Lab and the panic buttons on their phones.

The part that didn't work so well for me was Wally's desperation to get his speed. He stepped out into traffic? I mean, sure, he really wants to get powers, but he's too smart not to understand that there's no guarantee it would happen the same way for two different people. Joe made an excellent point that everyone in the city was exposed to the dark matter wave but only a few dozen or hundred out of millions got metahuman powers. As an engineering student, Wally should've understood the probabilities. At the very least, they should've shown him hesitating and debating with himself over whether to take the risk, instead of just thoughtlessly acting on impulse. (I mean, Impulse is the other guy!)

Disappointed we didn't get to see Jessie in costume this week, but it looks like we will next week. And I wonder if Jessie will give Barry some tips on universe-crossing that will help facilitate future Supergirl crossovers.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Great to finally see Tom Cavanagh play Wells as likable. Only time before this was in the flashbacks of Earth 1 Wells before Thawne replaced him. In the preview for next week Harry even reminded me of how Tom played his first staring role of Ed Stevens, bowling alley lawyer.

I was very happy with this episode. They quickly picked up plot points and character arcs that got sidetracked to resolve the Zoom arc.

 

[Mr Light]

Yay, Jesse Quick! I thought Wells was a little too goofy/cute in this episode.

 

[Dick Whitman]

That Goofy/cute is from I have seen Cavanagh's real personality finally showing through. It was off putting that last season Harry was such a hardass. Too close to Thawne disguised as Wells. It was a red herring to suggest he also was a bad guy. It was somewhat justified by his worry about Zoom having Jesse. But it would be odd and repetitive if he continued to play Harry as such a jerk. I am happy with this change.

 

[Mudd]

I think its obvious how this is going to go.

Yep. Wally is so completely desperate for speed that he'll go to Alchemy and get it.

 

[Christopher]

I am happy with this change.

Yeah, it makes sense. He's not worrying about Zoom or the consequences of his misdeeds anymore. He's gotten through that dark period and is in a better place. So it makes sense that he'd be somewhat more at peace with himself.

(Although that requires ignoring the fact that he straight-up murdered the Turtle last year. But the show seems satisfied to ignore it, so I guess that's how we're playing it.)

 

[Stephen Lee]

I have to agree with everyone, this episode was alot more enjoyable then the first 2. Harry & Jessie added alot of fun and Snow got some good screen time.

I don't know about Barry, I mean - your on a date, in the middle of the day? Surely you took the day off only to be called into work and then after whisking her away to some nice place far out, only to ditch her? Sure she could catch a cab, but surely you could have just dropped her off on your way back? Maybe?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I thought the actress playing Magenta did a nice job and everyone else was on their A-game too which helped to elevate this one. It didn't hurt to see Flash in more Superman-type hero mode and less dumbass.

I thought that it was good that saved Jesse in costume for another day, something to look forward to.

 

[DigificWriter]

I thought the first two episodes were great, but this episode did surpass the both of them, although I do think the writers missed out on an opportunity to follow up on the stinger scene from last week of Caitlin starting to develop cryonic powers during her conversation with Jesse.

I like that we got an antagonist this week who wasn't "pure evil", as it offered a nice change of pace for the show and gave the characters a chance to be less "punchy". It actually reminded me in a lot of ways of the Supergirl episode Bizarro, which was nice since that ep is one of my favorites of that series.

I really like Earth-2 Wells now that he's not being driven purely by desperation, and thought his parental concern about Jesse and his reluctance to let her embrace her powers was handled very well and very realistically. I also liked the resolution of that conflict and the way that he came to the realization that he needed to stop projecting his own fear and guilt onto her and let her live her own life, even if it meant letting her put herself in danger. I was especially moved by the scene where he gives her that costume and her superhero 'codename'.

I agree that Wally was behaving really recklessly in this episode, but that doesn't surprise me in the least, and I liked the way that everybody reacted to his recklessness. I also like that it was Barry who took the lead in giving him a lecture on recklessness rather than Joe.

Maybe it's the fact that I actually had the opportunity to meet Tom Felton when he came to Salt Lake Comic Con last year influencing me, but I really like the character of Julian Albert. Yes, he's prickly and a bit of a jerk, but he's also really charming, and I really like the way Tom and Grant (Gustin) play off of one another. I also foresee him eventually finding out that Barry is the Flash, and really want to see what his reaction is going to be.

I also have to say that I'm enjoying Alchemy as a "big bad" far more than Zoom, and appreciate that what he's doing is much more straightforward than Zoom's plans/schemes ever were, even if we don't yet know the why behind what he's doing.

 

[Thestral]

Not-Draco Malfoy? Charming?

Anyway, can we have Harry and Jessie every week? Like... permanently? Such a better episode with those two around. Harry's awesome, his whole "really?" reaction to all the Flashpoint stuff, I just wish he didn't have to learn again that he needs to let Jessie be Jessie; at least this time it was for a good reason. And her chemistry with everybody is delightful. I buy her and Wally as a (potential) couple a thousand times more easily than I ever did or still do Barry and Iris (though I've accepted that one) because it just seems so easy.

Yep. Wally is so completely desperate for speed that he'll go to Alchemy and get it.

Yup. If the wheels aren't already turning in his head they surely will start to race when Barry inevitably reveals that he had powers in Flashpoint.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Run, Jessie, Run! I don't know how she could've run at supersonic speeds wearing regular clothes/shoes. Didn't Barry have problems, in the beginning, with air friction causing his clothes to catch on fire?

Magenta is almost an anagram for Magneto. She has got to be the most powerful metahuman ever featured in the Arrow Universe if she could lift an entire tanker using her metal manipulation powers.

 

[cylkoth]

I'm really not interested in having yet another speedster on the show...I know Wally is Kid Flash and all, but wouldn't it be a nice twist if he turned out to have a completely different power-or preferably, none at all? And why is he assuming that if he gains meta powers, that it will be superspeed?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Darkmatter Powers are not random.

They are shaped by a persons psychological issues.

One could even say that the superpowers of Central City are almost entirely designed by irony.

 

[tomalak301]

Maybe it's the fact that I actually had the opportunity to meet Tom Felton when he came to Salt Lake Comic Con last year influencing me, but I really like the character of Julian Albert. Yes, he's prickly and a bit of a jerk, but he's also really charming, and I really like the way Tom and Grant (Gustin) play off of one another. I also foresee him eventually finding out that Barry is the Flash, and really want to see what his reaction is going to be.

My only issue with Julian so far is he feels like such a one note character. He hates Barry, and he keeps reminding us of that in each episode so far. I hope we get to see him develop into something more than that, and to be honest, I hope Berry is forced to tell him he's the Flash pretty soon. That might build some bridges and let the characters finally develop organically.

This was my favorite episode of the season so far, but I still can't help but think that things feel like Season 2 but they shouldn't. I guess Earth 2 wasn't affected by Flashpoint, but why does Cisco and Caitlyn and Iris talk like their lives weren't affected by Berry's actions. How do we know that how they faced zoom in this timeline was the same as we saw in Season 2. This kind of goes back to the feeling like the first episode and second should have taken like 3 episodes to develop and let us play with these new characters. Yes you have to get to the meat of the story, but I still don't feel like I know these characters this season and that might be holding me back as a whole.

Other than that, I really liked Magenta. She was a sympathetic character and good call, @DigificWriter comparing this episode to Bizzarro. It was a nice change of pace episode and it was great to see Harry and Jesse again.

 

[Captain Crow]

I hope they got all the Eliza residue out of that speed suit before they gave it to Jesse.

 

[Christopher]

Anyway, can we have Harry and Jessie every week? Like... permanently?

Well, Tom Cavanagh was listed in his usual series-regular spot here instead of as a guest star. Though there are some shows where recurring cast members get "regular" billing only in the episodes where they appear, so that may be the case here too.

Run, Jessie, Run! I don't know how she could've run at supersonic speeds wearing regular clothes/shoes. Didn't Barry have problems, in the beginning, with air friction causing his clothes to catch on fire?

That's something they tend to ignore most of the time. When Barry super-sped Iris to their new date site, her hair wasn't even messed up. And while Kara's clothes did catch fire when he sped her to the desert in Supergirl: "Worlds Finest," he was later somehow able to bring her ice cream at superspeed without any melting. (Although the former case did involve him running exceptionally fast even for him.)

Magenta is almost an anagram for Magneto. She has got to be the most powerful metahuman ever featured in the Arrow Universe if she could lift an entire tanker using her metal manipulation powers.

Weather Wizard is even more powerful. In the Vixen season 2 premiere last week, he was shown attacking Monument Point with several tornadoes and a tsunami, which would require a staggering amount of energy. (I'm not sure how Weather Wizard could even summon a tsunami, since those are the result of seismic or volcanic events, not meteorological ones.)

And why is he assuming that if he gains meta powers, that it will be superspeed?

Because the dark-matter wave that hit him and Jesse wasn't just any old dark matter, it was from the experiment that recreated the accident that gave Barry his speed. Indeed, I got the impression that it was, in some way, Barry himself -- that when he vanished into the Speed Force, he passed through them along the way. At least, it was the same dark-matter surge that gave speed to both Barry and Jesse, so presumably it had some kind of a Speed Force component to it, and thus it's logical that the third person exposed to the same surge could also get speed from it.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Yay, Jesse Quick! I thought Wells was a little too goofy/cute in this episode.

I see why you would say that, but for me I was fine with Dr. Wells having an area where he is weak and NOT confident/arrogant. If it were every week, I would have an issue. But if it's occasional, I think it works.

I missed the first 10 minutes... but I thought Earth 2 was basically the comics Earth 3.. where so far, it's been most super villains, especially Evil versions of Earth 1 heroes (Flash, Vibe, Black Canary). Are things safe there now?