Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[kirk55555]

Well his entire point of being right now is to be the Harry Potter-style red herring. With the Philosopher Stone being on the show (that's what Alchemy is using, as we saw in the previous episode), the actor's clear reference to the franchise, and his overly blatant antagonism to the hero is right up there with how Snape was portrayed, particularly in the first movie/book.

It is being overdone, but I think it's actually intentional. At least on the writer's end. They're trying way too hard to convince everyone he's Alchemy.

I never even considered that he could be Alchemy until you said that. Now that I think about it, I can see him being a red herring, but for some reason I just never got the vibe that he could be Alchemy. Plus, he actually gave Barry the clue that Alchemy was behind Magenta's powers this episode, and there really isn't a reason I can see for Alchemy to do that. Still,its an interesting idea, but it feels unlikely.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Alchemy is not trying to win quickly and totally.

He is instead, organizing a long winded dramatic pageant.

Where there is a lead up to a final battle for the highest stakes, where he wins, and every other bugger applauds.

That's the difference between a super villain and a sane person.

If you know the Barry Allen is the Flash, you can stab him in the face while he sleeps in his bed at his home.

Sheer elegance in it's simplicity.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Wally had superspeed in the Flashpoint timeline, and Alchemy is giving people back the powers they had in that timeline. Therefore, Wally will be a speedster.

The hell you say!

My only (minor) disappointment here was Jessie's suit. I have no idea what she wears in the comics, but I'd been hoping to see something a little more in keeping with the retro style of Earth-2 (Maybe some white or silver instead of red?).

In the comics, she's a more modern spinoff of Golden Age hero Johnny Quick (his daughter), and he was red and gold when the Flash of the era was primarily red and blue.

 

[dahj]

Well his entire point of being right now is to be the Harry Potter-style red herring.

Unless... it's a double-bluff!

 

[Dick Whitman]

This is from the episode currently filming. So obviously it's a big spoiler. http://dctvu.com/set-photos-from-the-flash-midseason-finale-reveal-a-big-throwback/

 

[Morpheus 02]

This is from the episode currently filming. So obviously it's a big spoiler. http://dctvu.com/set-photos-from-the-flash-midseason-finale-reveal-a-big-throwback/

That photo looks closer to another character that guest portrayed...this will be a very interesting episode. Can't wait for it

 

[jbny67]

That photo looks closer to another character that guest portrayed

I thought the look had more of a Joker vibe to it as well.
What are the chances?
Probably slim to none.

 

[JoeZhang]

Maybe it's the fact that I actually had the opportunity to meet Tom Felton when he came to Salt Lake Comic Con last year influencing me, but I really like the character of Julian Albert. Yes, he's prickly and a bit of a jerk, but he's also really charming, and I really like the way Tom and Grant (Gustin) play off of one another. I also foresee him eventually finding out that Barry is the Flash, and really want to see what his reaction is going to be.

I'm not convinced - I'm not sure if it's the actor or the direction he's getting but he feels off to me - like he thinks he's in an entirely different show. I see above that some people think this is deliberate and it could be or just some bad behind the scenes choices.

 

[Captain Crow]

This is from the episode currently filming. So obviously it's a big spoiler. http://dctvu.com/set-photos-from-the-flash-midseason-finale-reveal-a-big-throwback/

That photo looks closer to another character that guest portrayed...this will be a very interesting episode. Can't wait for it

I thought the look had more of a Joker vibe to it as well.
What are the chances?
Probably slim to none.

Maybe he's the Jokester from Earth 3.


ETA: I'm not trying to be a smart ass by combining names. That's an actual Earth 3 character.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

You know, after watching Legends of Tomorrow, I wonder if the changes in Barry's timeline aren't his fault at all, but the consequences of what the Legends have been doing this season. And the only reason Barry noticed is because he was in the Speed Force when some (or all) of them happened.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

You know, after watching Legends of Tomorrow, I wonder if the changes in Barry's timeline aren't his fault at all, but the consequences of what the Legends have been doing this season. And the only reason Barry noticed is because he was in the Speed Force when some (or all) of them happened.

Nice theory. But I would modify it to Thawne being responsible with his shenanigans throughout time.

 

[DigificWriter]

Given that Legends of Tommorow's current narrative takes place post-Flashpoint relative to Thawne's presence, I fail to see how either his actions or the Legends' actions could've possibly been responsible for that particular alternate timeline.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Given that Legends of Tommorow's current narrative takes place post-Flashpoint relative to Thawne's presence, I fail to see how either his actions or the Legends' actions could've possibly been responsible for that particular alternate timeline.

Well, that's not actually a given. (It's probably the intent, but the show hasn't actually confirmed it yet) Plus, no one said they were responsible for the Flashpoint timeline, only that they might be responsible for the current Flash timeline with its various differences (Cisco's brother's death, Caitlyn's powers, etc). In either case, Barry would still be at least partially responsible for whatever Alchemy is doing, since his actions are based on some sort of connection to or knowledge of the Flashpoint timeline.

 

[Guy Gardener]

NOOOOOOO!

Changing atomic properties is alchemy.

Firestorm is Alchemy.

 

[dahj]

Time travel caused timeline changes should work on a "whoever smelt it, dealt it" principle.

If you're the one noticing the changes, you caused them.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Time travel caused timeline changes should work on a "whoever smelt it, dealt it" principle.

If you're the one noticing the changes, you caused them.

That's a fine principle for the average time travel story, but it breaks down instantly when you have a dueling time travelers situation. And if it were true, it would debunk the entire basic principle of LoT.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Physical changes to the time line happen hours, days or sometimes months before human minds/memories change to compliment the canon of the new timeline.

Which is shit lore, but it's what we got.

He's a serious question: How long until this new time line inflicts itself on Barry like Flashpoint did and starts erasing his memories too, until he forgets that he ever changed time or ever came from somewhere else?

 

[JoeZhang]

He's a serious question: How long until this new time line inflicts itself on Barry like Flashpoint did and starts erasing his memories too, until he forgets that he ever changed time or ever came from somewhere else?

It will not happen - they make this stuff as they go and they have clearly decided that Barry (and the people he's told) need to remember for plot reasons.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

It will not happen - they make this stuff as they go and they have clearly decided that Barry (and the people he's told) need to remember for plot reasons.

To be fair, it's entirely possible that the new LoT timeline simply led to a similar result where Barry still caused Flashpoint. Or, for all we know from what little information is available, the LoT timeline changes were already in effect before any of this even happened and we've been watching the altered timeline all along. (Or at least since sometime shortly after the Legends embarked on their original mission)

 

[Guy Gardener]

It will not happen - they make this stuff as they go and they have clearly decided that Barry (and the people he's told) need to remember for plot reasons.

I agree.

Greg may believe that his audience is mostly teenagers, so there is no point in taxing their tiny brains.

That's actually a good point about the people Barry tells about how he is from a different timeline... Even if "time" makes him forget about where he is from, anyone who has heard him complain that time is wrong, will probably still remember his complaints, and may believe him.

If Barry could back up his memories, and reinstall them from a save point, his only real Problem is that Barry will be killing endless alt Barry's to bring back to life a Barry who is is a complete foreigner to the new time line he just created, and the next timeline too.