Spoilers The Flash - Season 3
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I enjoyed the episode more than I thought I would. I am so glad that they did not do a straight up musical because that would have been odd. It was much better to integrate the musical parts into the plot the way they did. The episode reminded me of the Star Trek episodes where someone is trapped on the holodeck. In both instances, you have characters trying to free other characters from an imaginary world that the writers can use to tell a different kind of story. The super friends song was great but I particularly loved Barry's song "Coming home to you" when he proposed to Iris. Great song and great lyrics!
Nitpick #1: It seems the writers took some big liberties with Cisco's powers when they had him vibe Mon El and Iris into Barry and Kara's minds. It seems like a big departure from what his vibe powers are supposed to be able to do.
Nitpick #2: the music meister seemed like a carbon copy of Myx. Similar physical look, similar mannerisms. similar backstory.
An observation: it is interesting how nonchalant Team Flash was about meeting Martian Manhunter and Mon El. I guess they are so used to meeting aliens and metas from parallel universes that it is completely ordinary to them now.
Nitpick #1: It seems the writers took some big liberties with Cisco's powers when they had him vibe Mon El and Iris into Barry and Kara's minds. It seems like a big departure from what his vibe powers are supposed to be able to do.
Nitpick #2: the music meister seemed like a carbon copy of Myx. Similar physical look, similar mannerisms. similar backstory.
An observation: it is interesting how nonchalant Team Flash was about meeting Martian Manhunter and Mon El. I guess they are so used to meeting aliens and metas from parallel universes that it is completely ordinary to them now.
Cisco's doppleganger and Savitar have both stated that he has the potential to be a god. That might have been somewhat hyperbolic, but it certainly implies that we haven't seen the full extent of his powers.
But that doesn't mean it won't still happen. Changing the future just means it's possible for certain events to unfold differently, not that it's mandatory. And so far, the only headline the team has successfully changed was the one about Flash capturing Plunder (Kid Flash did it instead). There was still a murder at Luigi's, and there was still a gorilla attack on the city. That leaves the Music Meister book deal, "Joe West honored at City Hall," "STAR Labs Museum closes," and "Killer Frost still at large." Any one of those could still happen.
As I already mentioned, the character's sole comic-book appearance to date was in the final issue of the tie-in comic set in the B:TB&TB continuity. (His character page at Comics Vine lists two appearances, but one is a trade paperback collection reprinting the other.) His only other appearance outside of BBB was in a Lego Batman video game. I did just read a Vanity Fair review claiming he was a comics character, but that was an error.
It was left ambiguous whether they were "inside their minds" or in some alternate dimension shaped by their minds (like Beverly Crusher in TNG's "Remember Me"). Vibe's ability to access it suggests it was the latter.
Well, they were in the middle of a crisis and didn't have time to freak out. Although, granted, they're more used to weird stuff than your average Central Citizen (Central Citian? Centralian?).
For what it's worth, my brain went to 'Back to the Future', but then it's a reasonably common trope for the period.
Although not necessary, it might have been nice if the episode had made it a bit more clear. One quick line of dialogue about Barry and Kara's minds being in an alternate dimension would have made the scene more believable.
There was such a line, although it was presented as just one possibility Barry and Kara considered rather than a definitive thing.
This was only maybe the second Flash episode I've ever seen and I did enjoy it, although "Once More With Feeling" certainly doesn't have anything to worry about in terms of being the best at this.
But one thing this show had over OMWF was the sheer number of great voices. Good lord! There should have been way more songs. No way should incredible voices like Garber's and Martin's have been limited to duets. Each should have had their own song.
Of the youngling's, I thought Grant Gusting had the best vocal outing. But I think that might have changed if Jeremy Jordan and Criss had been given more.
Really enjoyed Rachel Bloom's "Super Friends". "Running Home to You" was another good one.
These two shows (especially Flash) are crying out for another crack at this. I hope it happens.
But one thing this show had over OMWF was the sheer number of great voices. Good lord! There should have been way more songs. No way should incredible voices like Garber's and Martin's have been limited to duets. Each should have had their own song.
Of the youngling's, I thought Grant Gusting had the best vocal outing. But I think that might have changed if Jeremy Jordan and Criss had been given more.
Really enjoyed Rachel Bloom's "Super Friends". "Running Home to You" was another good one.
These two shows (especially Flash) are crying out for another crack at this. I hope it happens.
Hah! I had the opposite reaction. I enjoyed the ep, but I thought that it arguably spent too much time trying to "justify" the conceit and easing into it, instead of just embracing it right away. I found myself getting impatient with the Star Lab scenes and with Barry and Kara for not getting with the program sooner. I mean, if you're going to do a musical, just cut to the chase and bring on the singing and dancing . . ...
To my mind, it took Barry and Kara a little too long to come around to the idea that "okay, we're in musical, so let's just go with it."
But that's a judgment call.
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Well, the episode did accomplish two things:
1. it made me buy a song on iTunes that so I am pretty sure will get me in a good mood any time I listen to it (guess which one).
2. made me ship Karry even more.
Is it bad that I wanted the story to throw us a total curveball and get those two together instead of them going back to Mon-El and Iris?
1. it made me buy a song on iTunes that so I am pretty sure will get me in a good mood any time I listen to it (guess which one).
2. made me ship Karry even more.
Is it bad that I wanted the story to throw us a total curveball and get those two together instead of them going back to Mon-El and Iris?
Both intentionally went to the well of the most obvious cliches
Exactly. They were both drawing on the same old vintage movie cliches.
So why did Music Meister show up and how did he know about the Love problems and why did he decide to "fix" them? Lame story line. They were in a world built in their minds, however a death there was real death. Cute show, sort of, but very weak. Not enough music to actually be a musical and not enough "plausible" story.
I prefer their "ship" as a friendship. They're Super Best Friends Forever!
To be fair, that's a pretty standard trope in stories like this -- "If you die in VR, you die in reality!" Heck, it even goes back to a much older superstition that you die for real if you die in a dream.
Yeah, I really love the Kara/Barry chemistry, but it works just fine as a friendship rather than a romance. I'm fine with Barry staying with Iris as long as it doesn't fall into needless melodrama (such as last week's weird decision by Barry to break off the relationship so that he can focus on saving her).
I decided to watch the episode. Luckily, there wasn't much music to skip through. The villain was very lame, and was actually less like the Music Meister then even I thought he would be. He didn't even have a music gimmick, that came from barry/Kara's minds 
He also apparently wasn't a villain, and magically knows to find people with relationship problems he can fix in the multiverse 
As for the story, I liked the real world segments, especially the Vibe/Kid Flash/Martian Manhunter team. When it comes to the dream stuff, the non-music parts were just kind of standard dream/virtual world stuff. It was kind of entertaining to see Joe as a mobster, but most of that stuff wasn't that interesting. I skipped through all the songs, what few there were (I was expecting a lot more), so all I can say is that I'm glad there weren't many, but I wish there had been less (I would have preferred none, obviously). Overall this was a mediocre episode, but it apparently fixed Barry and Iris's relationship problems so it definitely had one thing I'm glad happened.
He also apparently wasn't a villain, and magically knows to find people with relationship problems he can fix in the multiverse As for the story, I liked the real world segments, especially the Vibe/Kid Flash/Martian Manhunter team. When it comes to the dream stuff, the non-music parts were just kind of standard dream/virtual world stuff. It was kind of entertaining to see Joe as a mobster, but most of that stuff wasn't that interesting. I skipped through all the songs, what few there were (I was expecting a lot more), so all I can say is that I'm glad there weren't many, but I wish there had been less (I would have preferred none, obviously). Overall this was a mediocre episode, but it apparently fixed Barry and Iris's relationship problems so it definitely had one thing I'm glad happened.
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