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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

Coast City has been all over Arrow for a couple years now, it's where the flashbacks started this year and why we saw that asshole, oh, and Barry got Pizza from Coast City last season too.
 
Coast City has been all over Arrow for a couple years now, it's where the flashbacks started this year and why we saw that asshole, oh, and Barry got Pizza from Coast City last season too.

The season premier had a brief scene in Coast City on Arrow. In fact, Ollie was in a bar there at the same time as another famous DC character.

When I used to play a lot of pen and paper superhero RPG's superspeed was always a game breaker.

Yeah, it is pretty incredible how much speedsters should be able to do that they don't do in stories because they would just be unstoppable. For example, Barry should have been able to beat Atom Smasher to a pulp before the guy even knew he was there.
 
I'm always in character, but I take it personal when some apartheid supporting paedophile literally destroys the universe because he can't deal with life dealing him a few lemons.
 
Really enjoyed this episode.
I've never experienced a Jay Garrick story, so I can't judge his accuracy to other versions of the character, but I did like him here. It'll be nice to have another speedster mentor for Barry, hopefully one who isn't evil.
Is throwing lightening a Flash power from the comics? I've never seen that one in other adaptations before.
I'm pretty sure Jay will get his speed back before the end of the Season, I can't believe they'd bring him in and not give us at least one scene of them working together as The Flashes.
I'm in the same situation with Patty Spivot, but I liked her too.
Love Tony Todd as the voice of Zoom, he really does have a great villain voice.
 
Jay describes Zoom as having the face of a demon or something. I know somebody brought it up earlier, but it really does seem like this version of Zoom has some elements of the Black Flash tied to it.

Do we know if the actor who is Jay is contracted for the entire season or will he only be in the first few episodes?

Also, regarding Firestorm has there been any rumors that we will see Jason in the Legends series?
 
Really got to share this great deleted scene. Its from the season premiere. Barry visited his father early in the episode before he was released from prison.

https://vimeo.com/142613186

I am disappointed they cut this. Its surprising to see it online already. I do not believe anything was released for season 1 before promotion for the DVDs.

That is a terrific scene, but it's a little slow-paced, so I can see why they had to cut it.

Didn't the deleted scene explaining how Caitlin fed the inmates in the Pipeline get released the same week the episode aired, or something?

I think this scene was REALLY good...and it seems like perhaps Henry did the Flashpoint paradox... he seems WAAAAAY to sure on the "natural order of things" to have not accepted why Nora had to die.

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved all of the Earth 2 teases as a massive fan of DC's Golden Age Heroes. I'm definitely hoping that since metahumans seem to be a bit more out in the open on Earth 2, with STAR Labs specializing in metahuman research that there is a Justice Society on that world. And it seems like they're using Old Continuity Earth 2 as the basis. It'd be amazing to see the Classic JSA again.

Jay is a little big younger than I'd like to see him. At the very least, I'd like him to have a few more years on Barry. He was young in his first appearances (a college student when he got his powers), but by the time he and Barry finally teamed up, he was probably in his mid 40s with greying temples. But he does have 50s action hero looks. He'd make a great Doc Savage. And he did good with the role he was given. I'm sure he'll be even better as the character is fleshed out.
I too wished Jay was a bit older...I mean, I guess the fact that he got powers 2 years ago means it's related to the particle accelerator, but'd be nice if he had much more "real" experience over the years. He really has, what, only 6 months more on Barry?

I wonder if they had consider John Wesley Schipp for Jay...he would've made the most sense. (though is equally great as Henry)


I sincerely hope that Wells is not Zoom. It'd kind of be a cop out for them to be setting up another mystery where he's the one who's revealed to be the villain in the end (even though it was super obvious last season, so it wasn't really a mystery). I think the reveal is in the "different choice model" that Professor Stein explained this episode. If Wells was Zoom and the Director of STAR Labs, it would kind of fly in the face of how we were explained the Multiverse, which is just bad writing. It'd be cool if it were Barry. Maybe a take on Colbalt Blue.

My only real gripe for this episode is that The Flash's city on Earth 2 is Central City. It should be Keystone! It might be confusing for some people, but we probably aren't going to spend enough time on Earth 2 to have it be too much of an issue, so it would have been a nice nod.

In some versions, isn't Central City a "sister" city to Keystone, much like Minneapolis & St. Paul?
 
Yes, Keystone is the sister city since the 80s in the comics. But I thought Keystone has been discussed this way in the show too? Or maybe I am just confusing things.
 
If Henry had ever read any science fiction he would believe in two possibilities...

1. The universe he is standing in would be replaced, overwritten or outright destroyed. The best case scenario, is that he (and every one else on the planet?) remembered both time lines completely. But more likely is that his life with his son as shitty as it was was not going to continue forward, and was going to have retroactively never have happened.

2. Barry would create an alternate time line divergent from the universe Hank is standing in, so that Barry is no longer a part of his home universe, and even though Hank's life would continue and the Earth as it stood would continue, the Flash would be sideways in time probably never to return, who also happens to be Henry Allen's son.

...

There was an episode of Rick and Morty where they got viewmasters which showed the family all the nearby alternate Earths, where their Doppelgängers were leading better more interesting lives than they were.

It was first very addicting and then suicidally depressing.
 
I just watched the deleted scene--it's a shame that they cut one of the most emotional pieces from the episode. I hope that Henry going away is actually leading to something plot-wise because the two actors have great chemistry as father and son.
 
I follow actor Alex Desert on Twitter. Often he retweets peoples posts hoping he will appear on the new show. He did that that again yesterday so I decided to ask him if he has heard from producers? Has it not happening yet been a scheduling issue? I asked that because he is very busy in a band he performs with,

I was very happy to see he replied but not with the answer. Here is the direct quote " i have yet to hear a peep!"

That sucks! I replied back including the tags for the official Flash writers room and separate one for the Production Office that they need to give him a call. He is the cast member from the 1990 series that has yet to appear that I see fans on various forums hoping to appear more than anyone else. I know the writers have a lot of storylines and characters they are juggling. I am just surprised they have not even contacted him.
 
I think this scene was REALLY good...and it seems like perhaps Henry did the Flashpoint paradox... he seems WAAAAAY to sure on the "natural order of things" to have not accepted why Nora had to die.

That was well enough explained in last season's finale. Henry has spent decades learning to come to terms with the tragedy, and coming to admire the man his son has become as a result of all the events in his life, good or bad. So he's convinced himself that things had to happen the way they did, because it's the only way he could make peace with his situation. That's an explanation that's rooted in real human character and emotion, which makes it infinitely more desirable than some kind of "Oh, it was nothing more than plot mechanics tying into this convoluted time-travel storyline." TV today -- and fandom today, frankly -- has already become too obsessed with plot convolutions at the expense of characterization and emotion. I say, to hell with paradoxes and secrets and plot twists -- just let Henry have a motivation that's human and personal and real. The thing that makes this crazy show work is that it doesn't lose its grounding in human emotion.



I follow actor Alex Desert on Twitter. Often he retweets peoples posts hoping he will appear on the new show. He did that that again yesterday so I decided to ask him if he has heard from producers? Has it not happening yet been a scheduling issue? I asked that because he is very busy in a band he performs with,

I was very happy to see he replied but not with the answer. Here is the direct quote " i have yet to hear a peep!"

That sucks! I replied back including the tags for the official Flash writers room and separate one for the Production Office that they need to give him a call. He is the cast member from the 1990 series that has yet to appear that I see fans on various forums hoping to appear more than anyone else. I know the writers have a lot of storylines and characters they are juggling. I am just surprised they have not even contacted him.

Yeah, that is surprising. Not only was Desert a key member of the original cast, but he's done a lot more work in the decades since, including doing the voice of Nick Fury in Wolverine and the X-Men and The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
 
Well, when you put it that way, DC probably thinks that he is tainted and therefore branded the poor boy as a traitor.
 
In some versions, isn't Central City a "sister" city to Keystone, much like Minneapolis & St. Paul?

That's how the dealt with it in the comics after Crisis on Infinite Earths when they put all of the Earths onto one unified Earth. Keystone City was in Kansas and Central City was in Missouri, separated by a river.

I was corrected earlier with someone telling me that Keystone had been mentioned, but it still would have been a nice nod if Jay worked out of Keystone, as that was the city he protected in Earth 2 books (and in the main continuity after everything was unified). Wally ended up being the protector of both cities.
 
%85 of Hooolio was his dreadlocks.

Alex Murdered Hooolio's dreadlocks.

Ales Desert is a murderer.

The CW does not contribute to aiding the lifestyle and fortunes of Murders.

Nice hat.
 
It does seem weird that they would not bring him back, if he wants to do it so badly. Hell, Mark Hamill was only 2 in episodes of the first series and they brought him back
 
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