Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

[Christopher]

They even laid the foundation for it by having the resident science genius have a seizure (probably emerging Firestorm powers) and will most likely be written out as a means to make room for Wells/Cavanough.

We already know that Stein will be a main character in Legends of Tomorrow, so, yes, he'll only remain on this show through December.

Also a good point on why Zoom has not crossed over himself though how could he know about Reverse Flash or Jay Garrick?

Zoom has crossed over. We saw him bring Sand Demon through the portal to our world. He's evidently commuting between universes to bring the bad guys across. Though why he doesn't take on Barry himself is unclear.

And he knows about Jay because he's been Jay's archnemesis on Earth-2 for the past two years.

 

[tomalak301]

A multiverse is a bunch of parallel universes, usually connected in some way.

So the TNG episode should have been called "Multi-Verse?" I'm still a little confused on the difference.

"Uni-" is Latin for "one," "multi-" is Latin for "many." "Multiverse" is simply an abbreviation for "multiple universes." Stein's line was misleadingly written when he said that a parallel universe should be called a multiverse instead. That's wrong, because a multiverse is a plurality of parallel or alternate universes, not just a single one. The parallel universes are the individual parts making up the whole that we call the multiverse.

That makes sense. Thank you.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Still, maybe they should've saved it for the episode where Jay gets his speed back.

It seems likely that Jay will only get his speed back on Earth-2, and that would imply that Barry wouldn't have his there.

On the other hand, Zoom seems to be wearing something that looks like Barry's old logo. Could he be a manifestation of some split-off aspect of Barry?

Or Barry's Earth-2 counterpart....

 

[sojourner]

I dunno, the show runners have a track record of giving the fans what they want, and short changing Jay by only letting him have his powers while back on E-2 would sort of suck.

Everyone wants to see the two Flashes actually team up.

 

[Marc]

Patty did say something about having recently taken a test or something. I suppose she's a uniformed cop who took the detective's exam but hadn't been promoted yet.

Joe points out she's only 7 months of the academy/on the job so I doubt she would have been allowed to take a detective's exam.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Very good episode, i like Jay Garrick a lot (even if his costume is extremely goofy, 50s style comics) and i also liked Barry's trust issues after Wells/Thawne's betrayal, seems like a natural result of the events.

Jay (and his costume)were created in the 30s/40s. The 50s were actually a low point for the Superhero genre and comic in general. The majority of the strips with superheroes were canceled, including Flash Comics. The book Seduction of the innocent, Congressional hearing and the Comic Code force changes. Low sales was factor too. Most attempts at reviving the genre failed. The genre was successfully revived in 1956 with the first appearance of Barry Allen as the Flash.


Jay has his own "Reverse Flash" in comics called the Rival.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Now they can get her out of that awkward looking uniform.

I think its only awkward because they don't bother to button it up all the way. I think she's the only cop around there with an open collar and always looks (to me) like she forgot to finish dressing.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Oh right, I had forgotten that Wells and Eobard were two different entities. I assumed the man at the museum was Eobard/Wells because Earth 2 looked futuristic.

If Nora Allen is still alive in the parallel universe, then there's no reason for Barry to become the Flash. This seems pretty self-evident since Jay Garrick is the speedster from Earth 2.

 

[Saga]

On the other hand, Zoom seems to be wearing something that looks like Barry's old logo. Could he be a manifestation of some split-off aspect of Barry?

this version of Zoom looks very similar to The Black Flash. which is...well, i'll let you google it.

 

[JoeZhang]

Patty did say something about having recently taken a test or something. I suppose she's a uniformed cop who took the detective's exam but hadn't been promoted yet.

Joe points out she's only 7 months of the academy/on the job so I doubt she would have been allowed to take a detective's exam.

Its a show featuring timetravel and people who can run as fast as light, I doubt that will stop them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No one (on this show) can run at the speed of light (670,616,629 mph).

Barry had trouble getting to mach 2 during the season ender last year (1522 mph).

I just assumed that Jay was a terrible scientist for saying that, or that he really is from a 1950s level of the present who hasn't figured out what the speed of light is yet.

(The speed of light was first measured successfully in 1676 by Olaus Roemer.)

Maybe Light is slower in Earth 2's Universe?

 

[.:: TSN ::.]

I am not surprised that Barry likes her. She is very similar to Felicity, only much more confident.
Exactly his type. She has the best of Felicity and Iris.
I also think they had great chemistry together.

Anyone else think they might make lightning strike twice (pun intended) and get a love interest for the main hero that defys comic tradition like in Arrow because they work so much better than Barry and Iris in this case?

Or in my opinion lighting strike first, because I never saw any Oliver & Felicity romantic chemistry on screen. One sided crush from Felicity and strong shipping by the fans sure, but no romantic chemistry between main actors. Just strong friendship. I still dont see it no matter how much TPTB try to shove it in.

 

[C_Miller]

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved all of the Earth 2 teases as a massive fan of DC's Golden Age Heroes. I'm definitely hoping that since metahumans seem to be a bit more out in the open on Earth 2, with STAR Labs specializing in metahuman research that there is a Justice Society on that world. And it seems like they're using Old Continuity Earth 2 as the basis. It'd be amazing to see the Classic JSA again.

Jay is a little big younger than I'd like to see him. At the very least, I'd like him to have a few more years on Barry. He was young in his first appearances (a college student when he got his powers), but by the time he and Barry finally teamed up, he was probably in his mid 40s with greying temples. But he does have 50s action hero looks. He'd make a great Doc Savage. And he did good with the role he was given. I'm sure he'll be even better as the character is fleshed out.

I sincerely hope that Wells is not Zoom. It'd kind of be a cop out for them to be setting up another mystery where he's the one who's revealed to be the villain in the end (even though it was super obvious last season, so it wasn't really a mystery). I think the reveal is in the "different choice model" that Professor Stein explained this episode. If Wells was Zoom and the Director of STAR Labs, it would kind of fly in the face of how we were explained the Multiverse, which is just bad writing. It'd be cool if it were Barry. Maybe a take on Colbalt Blue.

My only real gripe for this episode is that The Flash's city on Earth 2 is Central City. It should be Keystone! It might be confusing for some people, but we probably aren't going to spend enough time on Earth 2 to have it be too much of an issue, so it would have been a nice nod.

 

[Christopher]

Jay (and his costume)were created in the 30s/40s.

He debuted in a book with a publication date of January 1940, to be precise, and that book probably would've debuted in late 1939. So yeah, his creation straddled the decades.

this version of Zoom looks very similar to The Black Flash. which is...well, i'll let you google it.

I'm guessing something to do with Blackest Night and the zombie Black Lanterns?

Jay is a little big younger than I'd like to see him. At the very least, I'd like him to have a few more years on Barry. He was young in his first appearances (a college student when he got his powers), but by the time he and Barry finally teamed up, he was probably in his mid 40s with greying temples. But he does have 50s action hero looks.

Not with that haircut. I'm reminded more of Kevin Sorbo's Hercules than Jay Garrick or Doc Savage.

My only real gripe for this episode is that The Flash's city on Earth 2 is Central City. It should be Keystone! It might be confusing for some people, but we probably aren't going to spend enough time on Earth 2 to have it be too much of an issue, so it would have been a nice nod.

Keystone City already exists in the Arrowverse, though. It's the location of Iron Heights Prison, and it's where Eddie Thawne worked before coming to Central City.

 

[kirk55555]

this version of Zoom looks very similar to The Black Flash. which is...well, i'll let you google it.

I'm guessing something to do with Blackest Night and the zombie Black Lanterns?

Nope, there is a bit of a connection but the Black Flash appeared years before the Blackest Night event. I don't think Zoom is supposed to be the Black Flash, but I'll just link to the Black Flash DC Wiki page:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Flash_(New_Earth)

instead of posting more about him.

 

[DWF]

When Jay was talking about Zoom I wondered why BArry see the connection with Wells, then I realized Wells was refered to as Reverse-Flash not Zoom. So Jay might not know who Zoom is in his universe and he might be misled by his version of Wells in some manner.

And as for the Black Zoom, we've only seen him at night, he might look different in the light of day so to speak. And it's odd that Jay lost the speed force by crossing over, but not Zoom. I'm thinking Zoom did something to Jay when touched him at super speed and somehow drained him of the speed force.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I have a feeling Earth 2's Zoom is Hunter Zolomon. Maybe he replaced their Harrison Wells.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

My crazy, out-of-left-field prediction: Zoom is Joe West from an another Earth.

 

[TemporalFlux]

I'm looking forward to seeing how far they take the Earth 2 stuff. The Clark Kent Superman has been something that seems off the table (even in the Supergirl series except for a shadowy face); but what about Val-Zod, the black Superman unique to Earth 2 in the modern comics?

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Val-Zod_(Earth_2)

Or could Flash be heading toward a confrontation with Earth 3? Ultra man, Owl Man, etc are their own unique characters and not really derivative of the big names. Warner / DC would probably be more apt to okay their use than say an appearance byClark Kent or Bruce Wayne.

 

[Taylirious]

I'm looking forward to seeing how far they take the Earth 2 stuff. The Clark Kent Superman has been something that seems off the table (even in the Supergirl series except for a shadowy face); but what about Val-Zod, the black Superman unique to Earth 2 in the modern comics?

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Val-Zod_(Earth_2)

Or could Flash be heading toward a confrontation with Earth 3? Ultra man, Owl Man, etc are their own unique characters and not really derivative of the big names. Warner / DC would probably be more apt to okay their use than say an appearance byClark Kent or Bruce Wayne.

I like that a lot!

I liked Jay in the helmet which some people seem to think was ridiculous. I liked this better than the premiere which I liked well enough but felt off.

Shantel VanSanten was great, I like her a lot but when The Messengers debut I read some negative stuff about her acting.