Spoilers The Flash (2023) -Review and Discussion Thread

[Christopher]

I wonder if the other universes were repaired at the end or the collisions meant they were screwed?

As I recall, we saw the universe-spheres reassembling themselves when Barry reversed the damage.

And did Barry create the Burtonverse with his meddling or was this just a messy mishmash-verse?

The point of the "spaghetti" analogy, I think, was that time travelers don't create new universes, just divert themselves into other timelines in the multiverse. But it was unclear whether this was Earth-89 (as the Arrowverse Crisis dubbed it) or some other timeline that amalgamated Earth-89's Batman with elements of the DCEU.

 

[Set Harth]

A funny thing about the 1989 film, when you look at it, it feels like a mix of the 40s and the 80s. Like it doesn't quite know for sure what decade it's in. At one point Vicki Vale is reading a newspaper from the 1940s. Why would someone be doing that in 1989?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

It seemed pretty clear that the melding of eras in Batman 89 was intentionally trying to evoke a particular atmosphere. The series Gotham had a vague 70s/80s setting (when out-of-place product placement wasn't intruding).

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

A funny thing about the 1989 film, when you look at it, it feels like a mix of the 40s and the 80s. Like it doesn't quite know for sure what decade it's in. At one point Vicki Vale is reading a newspaper from the 1940s. Why would someone be doing that in 1989?

It's an aesthetic choice that continued with Batman: The Animated Series, where black and white TVs, tommy guns, advanced helicopters and computers all fit nicely together. A way to give it a more timeless feel

 

[Christopher]

It's an aesthetic choice that continued with Batman: The Animated Series, where black and white TVs, tommy guns, advanced helicopters and computers all fit nicely together. A way to give it a more timeless feel

The 1990 The Flash did the same thing, since it was going for a Burtonesque feel. It was set in the present, but the designs were very Art Deco and there were a lot of vintage cars (though they used modern cars whenever they needed to get wrecked or blown up). And of course, Shirley Walker's music had a very lush 1940s sound, the same style she would later use on B:TAS. (Until the Arrowverse established it as Earth-90, I used to assume The Flash took place in the DC Animated Universe, and that Barry had somehow passed on the mantle of the Flash to Wally West by the time he showed up in Superman: TAS.)

And a few years before Burton's Batman, Max Headroom did the same kind of era-blending production design. It was set in a cyberpunk near-future dystopia, but the computers were made from vintage TV screens and typewriter keyboards. So it was done in two TV series starring Amanda Pays, an interesting coincidence.

 

[Saul]

It seemed pretty clear that the melding of eras in Batman 89 was intentionally trying to evoke a particular atmosphere. The series Gotham had a vague 70s/80s setting (when out-of-place product placement wasn't intruding).

Yep, Burton himself said so in the commentaries that he wanted to give it a timeless feel and not nail down a specific era.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It seemed pretty clear that the melding of eras in Batman 89 was intentionally trying to evoke a particular atmosphere. The series Gotham had a vague 70s/80s setting (when out-of-place product placement wasn't intruding).

Gotham had the chonky bubble TVs, classic cars and modern mobile phones all smooshed together.

 

[thribs]

I just watched the Flash movie again and noticed an odd detail with Kryptonian armour being able to pierce a fully powered Kryptonian. That was never indicated in MoS. Sort of defeats the point of Kryptonite.

Also, the included deleted scenes were a letdown. Only interesting one was the one in the Batplane sort of hinting why Batman knows so much about time travel.

 

[Christopher]

I just watched the Flash movie again and noticed an odd detail with Kryptonian armour being able to pierce a fully powered Kryptonian. That was never indicated in MoS. Sort of defeats the point of Kryptonite.

Well, if nothing else, it makes sense by pre-Crisis comics logic, in which everything from Krypton was made indestructible by yellow sunlight. So a Kryptonian sword, say, would be able to stab Superman.

 

[thribs]

I don’t have an issue with it necessarily. It just wasn’t a thing before.
I suppose you could argue that it was Barry messing up the timeline that changed that.

 

[The Realist]

Also, the included deleted scenes were a letdown. Only interesting one was the one in the Batplane sort of hinting why Batman knows so much about time travel.

It's bullshit (but predictable because studio politics) that they didn't release the two original non-Clooney endings, the first with Keaton/Calle and the second with Keaton/Calle/Cavill/Gadot.

But then, it's bullshit those were ever replaced with the stupid Clooney ending in the first place.

 

[thribs]

It's bullshit (but predictable because studio politics) that they didn't release the two original non-Clooney endings, the first with Keaton/Calle and the second with Keaton/Calle/Cavill/Gadot.

But then, it's bullshit those were ever replaced with the stupid Clooney ending in the first place.

Maybe they are planning a special version of the movie down the road?

 

[The Realist]

Maybe they are planning a special version of the movie down the road?

I'd love to think so, but I highly doubt it.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Well, depending on how long the strikes are going to go on, WB propably would like to have some "sensational" filler content for Home Video and streaming (and, maybe, special screenings). So, they could have the Suicide Squad Ayer-Cut, the Batman Forever Schumacher-Cut, and now, The Flash Cavill-Cut.

 

[Set Harth]

I don’t have an issue with it necessarily. It just wasn’t a thing before.
I suppose you could argue that it was Barry messing up the timeline that changed that.

There's nothing in MoS that contradicts it.

 

[thribs]

There's nothing in MoS that contradicts it.

I just mean it never shown that the armour can cut him. He had to be under their atmosphere on the ship in MoS to depower him.
Zod could have stabbed Superman during their fight if so.

 

[Set Harth]

I just watched the Flash movie again and noticed an odd detail with Kryptonian armour being able to pierce a fully powered Kryptonian.

Kind of weird seeing this referred to as a detail. Since it's how Supergirl is killed it should kind of jump out at you in the initial viewing.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

It is definitely a change from MoS. If Kryptonian armour were as powerful as depicted in The Flash, Zod would not have shed his entire armour for the final battle in MoS.

 

[Anwar]

I'm remembering one fan theory from back then, that Luthor would have used the remains of Zod's armor to create his own Luthor Battlesuit to fight Superman with in future stories.

 

[Ovation]

Sometimes kryptonite from alternate realities are harmless to Superman, sometimes not. As this is an alternate reality from MoS, it’s the same thing.