Spoilers The Flash (2023) -Review and Discussion Thread

[JD]

We saw it this morning, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Despite my issues with their past behavior, I have to admit, Ezra Miller did a fantastic job as the two Barrys.
As a big fan of the Time Burton Batman movie, I loved seeing Michael Keaton back in the role. Even setting aside the nostalgia factor, I thought he did a really good job.
Sasha Calle was also fantastic as Supergirl, and I was happy to see earlier this afternoon that she's met with Peter Safran about continuing in the role.
The multiverse stuff was a lot of fun, especially the cameos at the end. As one of the 5 people in the universe who actually like Batman & Robin, I especially loved the George Clooney cameo.
I gave it an A in the poll.

 

[Kor]

I found it entertaining enough. I thought Keaton Batman was great, and I don't consider myself a huge fan of the Burton movies. Interesting that they didn't give Gotham any of that stylized art deco look.
The attempts at humor largely fell flat for me. And I wasn't happy with much of the CGI in this. The baby ....shower (groan) scene, and the cameos looked pretty bogus to me. They should have shown Linda Carter WW, though I know she already got a nod in a previous movie. I also wished they had managed to incorporate Reverse Flash into this story.

Kor

 

[Saul]

Here are some depressing things....

If this movie had opened well, as well as 'The Batman' had then we would get a Michael Keaton Batman Beyond movie....

Grant Gustin apparently filmed a cameo for this movie.

Pictures were release online today of the destroyed 'Batgirl' movie. Keaton looks great and we would have seen the Batmobile in action....


I don't get why this movie is doing worse than 'Black Adam' because it's not a bad film. It has a good rating. Not everyone likes it but it's not hated. It's the best superhero movie I've watched in cinemas since No Way Home. It's better than the most recent Thor, Doctor Strange, Antman movies, it's miles and miles ahead of Black Adam and Shazam. I really don't understand the lack of enthusiasm at the box office. For a film that brings back Michael Keaton and throws in Ben Affleck as Batman. It should be doing better.

I also wished they had managed to incorporate Reverse Flash into this story.

Would have been the sequel and would have been connected to what happened to Barry's Mom.

 

[thribs]

What is it with Nora Allen being creepy with Barry at the end? She’s like on the TV show as well. I get that we are supposed to think that she recognises him deep down but it just comes off odd.

Would have been the sequel and would have been connected to what happened to Barry's Mom.

Do you know that for sure? There was nothing indicating Eobard here, unless it was cut like all the other good stuff that apparently was.

 

[Saul]

Do you know that for sure? There was nothing indicating Eobard here, unless it was cut like all the other good stuff that apparently was.

Andy Muschietti said in interviews that it was the reverse flash.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Andy Muschietti said in interviews that it was the reverse flash.

Word of God Canon is bullshit.

If you are the director or producer and there is a point of view that you intend to put across and fail to do that during the recourse of a 2 hour movie, then you are a fucking mook if you have to explain that "point" so the fuck much later during an interview after me and all the other fuckers have watched the movie.

Although it is sad if the director creates something important, but the producer leaves it on the cutting room floor, but three and a half years from now we are definitely going to see the Muschietti Cut, over Ezra Millers hilarious dead body.

 

[Anwar]

Where did this origin connection that the Reverse-Flash killed Nora Allen come from? I thought the TV show just made that up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Where did this origin connection that the Reverse-Flash killed Nora Allen come from? I thought the TV show just made that up.

A massive crossover from 2011 called Flashpoint.

In the Flashpoint timeline Aquaman and Wonder Woman get married for 5 minutes, until one of them is murdered and the other is blamed, kicking off a World War between Atlantis and Themyscira.

 

[the G-man]

I don't get why this movie is doing worse than 'Black Adam' because it's not a bad film.

Dwayne Johnson has a built in audience that Ezra does not, guaranteeing a certain interest level at least in early weeks of release and, frankly, subsequent bad (terrible) word of mouth from BA is probably hurting this film (as it did Shazam).

 

[Anwar]

A massive crossover from 2011 called Flashpoint.

In the Flashpoint timeline Aquaman and Wonder Woman get married for 5 minutes, until one of them is murdered and the other is blamed, kicking off a World War between Atlantis and Themyscira.

Oh yeah, I remember the story from Flashpoint. I just didn't know that the whole "Reverse Flash killed Nora" plot started there.

Funny how Barry is so tied to that one plot though, it's practically become his Phoenix Saga.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh yeah, I remember the story from Flashpoint. I just didn't know that the whole "Reverse Flash killed Nora" plot started there.

Funny how Barry is so tied to that one plot though, it's practically become his Phoenix Saga.

The Flash Point Apocolypse, the sinking of Europe, the deaths of millions, is what happened when Barry saved Nora.

 

[thribs]

A massive crossover from 2011 called Flashpoint.

In the Flashpoint timeline Aquaman and Wonder Woman get married for 5 minutes, until one of them is murdered and the other is blamed, kicking off a World War between Atlantis and Themyscira.

Did it not come from Flash Rebirth?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did it not come from Flash Rebirth?

I'm not an expert on Flash Comics, but google says that Rebirth is about Wally holding Barry's beer.

 

[Kor]

In The Flash: Rebirth #5, Eobard Thawne indeed tells Barry that he was responsible for Nora Allen's death, along with lots of other bad things that happened to Barry. This storyline was from 2009.

Kor

 

[The Realist]

Shouldn't the "Reverse Flash" just be, like, a really slow guy?

 

[Starscream2112]

Shouldn't the "Reverse Flash" just be, like, a really slow guy?

Like of a Sloth kind of slow.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Shouldn't the "Reverse Flash" just be, like, a really slow guy?

That would be the Turtle.

 

[the G-man]

In The Flash: Rebirth #5, Eobard Thawne indeed tells Barry that he was responsible for Nora Allen's death, along with lots of other bad things that happened to Barry. This storyline was from 2009.

Kor

I miss Barry Allen being a well adjusted guy who got superpowers and became a costumed hero for no better reasons than a sense of altruism and love of old comic books.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I never understood Geoff Johns decision to murder Barry's mom.

I had a few pre-Crisis Flash comic books growing up in 70-80s and Barry was a man happy with his work/life and in one of the issues I had, he went home to see his parents and brought Iris with him.

Can't a superhero have a nice family life?

 

[Anwar]

I miss Barry Allen being a well adjusted guy who got superpowers and became a costumed hero for no better reasons than a sense of altruism and love of old comic books.

The Silver Age version of Barry was seen as a "Classic" character, but also a dull flat one too. So they had to "edge" him up when brought back.

I never understood Geoff Johns decision to murder Barry's mom.

I had a few pre-Crisis Flash comic books growing up in 70-80s and Barry was a man happy with his work/life and in one of the issues I had, he went home to see his parents and brought Iris with him.

Can't a superhero have a nice family life?

He has a weird obsession with that. When he did "Superman Secret Origins" in 2009 he randomly decided to kill Lois' mom despite earlier comics showing her and Lois having well written interactions.

He also reused the Hector Hammond/Carol Ferris thing with Lois having gone on a really bad date with John Corben/Metallo when he was human because her father wanted to set her up with one of his men (Corben being reinvented as a crazy Commando type before Luthor turned him into a Cyborg).