The First Trailer

[Gravitas]

The teaser is a little controversial, 29% dislike, 71% like on YT.

7 out of 10 like it and it has cut through the buzz of The Force Awakens on its opening weekend.

I'd say that this trailer is a pretty solid marketing move by Paramount.

The trailer views are much higher than this, it's more like 23 million. https://www.facebook.com/StarTrekMovie/?fref=photo

 

[Squiggy]

Yeah. Youtube's view count isn't as direct as you would think.

 

[JWPlatt]

Why are people so against rock music in a Star Trek trailer? I don't get it.

Perhaps it depends on whether the characters are hearing the same music we do as the audience. It seems to me to be a bit of hubris to think that our more or less contemporary music is actually appreciated by those of the far future, imposing our tastes upon them. It is more believable that the music that has survived the ages - hundreds of years - such as classical would be more believably appreciated still in the future. Or maybe something different - just not anything that dates a movie. It's more suspect to me when the characters hear it than when it's just part of the score. Guardians of the Galaxy is a different beast altogether and the music is well-justified.

Suggesting that counterparty popular music won't "survive the ages" is extremely snobbish, if not pretentious.

Which is more snobby and pretentious: Believing that my post will be remembered next week and quoted all next year? Or not at all?

Apply same to holding our own culture as being so precious for others and imposing it upon them. Does that remind you of the speculated plot message for Star Trek Beyond in any way? The future is where your tastes for music are pushed back.

 

[OpenMaw]

Of course, the producers didn't want to risk making up music of the "future" because that's the fastest way to make something dated, and that's fair. And classical music is timeless. But by playing only pre-1930s classical and jazz, it really seemed like Trek's music scene had badly stagnated. Hell, classical composers are making new music today.

Would have been awesome if Data busted out a guitar and started blasting some 80s hair metal.

 

[BillJ]

Of course, the producers didn't want to risk making up music of the "future" because that's the fastest way to make something dated, and that's fair. And classical music is timeless. But by playing only pre-1930s classical and jazz, it really seemed like Trek's music scene had badly stagnated. Hell, classical composers are making new music today.

Would have been awesome if Data busted out a guitar and started blasting some 80s hair metal.

While I'd say no to that. I would like them to use more current musical styles for stuff like battles. They've ran the classical music into the ground.

 

[Squiggy]

Which is more snobby and pretentious: Believing that my post will be remembered next week and quoted all next year? Or not at all?

If YOU believe that your posts will be remembered for the ages, that is snobby and pretentious. If WE believe that it will be remembered for the ages, it isn't.

 

[JWPlatt]

Which is more snobby and pretentious: Believing that my post will be remembered next week and quoted all next year? Or not at all?

If YOU believe that your posts will be remembered for the ages, that is snobby and pretentious. If WE believe that it will be remembered for the ages, it isn't.

An ironic quote.

Anyway, the estimation of our own culture is the "YOU" in your sentence. The future is the "WE."

 

[Kor]

In cases where highbrow formality needs to be depicted, perhaps it's time to look outside of the Eurocentric cultural sphere and explore other respected Earth musical traditions.

What happened to all the kotos, shamisens, sitars, etc. in the future? Those are certainly "classical" and "highbrow" in their cultural contexts.

I think Firefly did a slightly better job of depicting a future human society that had evolved from Earthwide cultural traditions, with a pervasive non-Western contextual background.

Kor

 

[Squiggy]

Which is more snobby and pretentious: Believing that my post will be remembered next week and quoted all next year? Or not at all?

If YOU believe that your posts will be remembered for the ages, that is snobby and pretentious. If WE believe that it will be remembered for the ages, it isn't.

An ironic quote.

Anyway, the estimation of our own culture is the "YOU" in your sentence. The future is the "WE."

And you think jazz or classical music plays well in Japan?

Something from 100 or 200 years ago isn't automatically universal.

 

[Kor]

^ Christopher probably has more familiarity with this, but I would say yes, jazz and classical have both had a strong presence in Japan for many decades.

Kor

 

[JWPlatt]

If YOU believe that your posts will be remembered for the ages, that is snobby and pretentious. If WE believe that it will be remembered for the ages, it isn't.

An ironic quote.

Anyway, the estimation of our own culture is the "YOU" in your sentence. The future is the "WE."

And you think jazz or classical music plays well in Japan?

Something from 100 or 200 years ago isn't automatically universal.

Nice try at redirection. I made my point and your retort did not survive inspection. But I did say "such as classical," leaving other examples to your imagination. You would appear to agree with me that imposing our cultural tastes upon another, such as Japan, is the same argument I made against such hubris toward future tastes. And the imposition of culture is the same question the movie might pose.

 

[Squiggy]

An ironic quote.

Anyway, the estimation of our own culture is the "YOU" in your sentence. The future is the "WE."

And you think jazz or classical music plays well in Japan?

Something from 100 or 200 years ago isn't automatically universal.

Nice try at redirection. I made my point and your retort did not survive inspection. But I did say "such as (classical)." You would appear to agree with me that imposing our cultural tastes upon another, such as Japan, is the same argument I made against such hubris. And the same question the movie might pose.

I'm just using your own logic. If we shouldn't have Beastie Boys playing because it doesn't represent the broader "we" then we shouldn't be playing really anything because it also doesn't represent the broader "we" because there is no "we" yet.

I don't agree with you because it's a ridiculous restriction to make.

 

[Mudd]

The trailer was terrible, really no other way to put it.

The trailer was great - see, I found another way to put it.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Well, before we thought that people on Trek only listened to classical/jazz, now we only think they listen to Beastie Boys.

I thought it was an interesting trailer. I'm curious to see what the movie is actually about though.

 

[JWPlatt]

The trailer was terrible, really no other way to put it.

The trailer was great - see, I found another way to put it.

It was so-so. McCoy was great.

Hey look, now we're a rainbow community with a full spectrum of points of view. Thread done.

 

[OpenMaw]

While I'd say no to that. I would like them to use more current musical styles for stuff like battles. They've ran the classical music into the ground.

I was mostly joking. Though seeing a guitar on someone's wall, somewhere, would have been nice.

 

[BillJ]

While I'd say no to that. I would like them to use more current musical styles for stuff like battles. They've ran the classical music into the ground.

I was mostly joking. Though seeing a guitar on someone's wall, somewhere, would have been nice.

Sonny Clemons had Data replicate him a guitar in "The Neutral Zone".

 

[Cyke101]

TNG was incredibly guilty of implying that no good music came after the 1930s.

When you play contemporary music you root the show in the present.

Since ST is in the future, that meant no Cindy Lauper on Data's playlist.

Simple as that.

(also, save money on royatlies, spend money on effects)

I never said it had to be contemporary music, but it was clear that the TNG crew listened only to very specific music, from before a specific time, from very specific genres, that really would be random if we judged it from the perspective of the 24th century.

They could have made their own original music, and that would be okay. Music not only evolves, but there's an incredible amount of variety out there (even within the classical genre!), and that's just between the 1930s and the 1980s, when TNG first appeared. Fast forward 30 years, and it's grown even more. It's unimaginable to think how music would grow and diversify if you give it another 300 years. Imagine meeting a 1,000 people on a ship today who all said, "Well, I only listen to pre-1630s Baroque", in a world with genres ranging from Neo-soul and EDM to string quartets and cultural folk music and everything inbetween, and then all the hundreds of years of evolution it took to create those genres in the first place; they'd be missing out on time and variety for a very, very tiny piece of the music pie; that's not really exploration.

 

[137th Gebirg]

While I'd say no to that. I would like them to use more current musical styles for stuff like battles. They've ran the classical music into the ground.

I was mostly joking. Though seeing a guitar on someone's wall, somewhere, would have been nice.

Sonny Clemons had Data replicate him a guitar in "The Neutral Zone".

Scotty had his bagpipes and Spock had his Vulcan lyre.

I'm assuming that, by the way he played it, Harry Kim's clarinet would fall within the context of "classical", although he could have easily expanded into jazz, ragtime, blues, folk and a number of other genres that use that instrument.

And, of course, there's always Picard's little Ressikan piccolo.

There were a handful of examples of non-classical music being shown in Trek but, yes, super-rare.

 

[dahj]

They could have made their own original music, and that would be okay.

You kinda have to take into consideration that we're talking about a TV show that has a TV budget, and it's SF, so a good portion of that budget has to go into special effects.

Basically, public domain is your friend in that case.