The Fight: worst episode ever?
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Regarding "The Fight" - The whole concept of chaotic space came off as extremely ridiculous to me as a kid and it still does.
The doctor taunting Chakotay in his vision, saying boxing was dangerous and you ended up as a "crazy old man" made me scoff in disbelief as a twelve year old. It came across as way too corny to be taken seriously. It was pretty much a parody, not a real episode.
IMO "Threshold" was the worst, though, as it seemed like cheap fan fic written by a fifteen year old to me. What puts it over as the worst episode of Trek in general for me is the way Tom pulls his tongue out and laughs. We switched genres and it was suddenly briefly like a cheesy horror film. The salamander babies couldn't make it worse for me after that.
The doctor taunting Chakotay in his vision, saying boxing was dangerous and you ended up as a "crazy old man" made me scoff in disbelief as a twelve year old. It came across as way too corny to be taken seriously. It was pretty much a parody, not a real episode.
IMO "Threshold" was the worst, though, as it seemed like cheap fan fic written by a fifteen year old to me. What puts it over as the worst episode of Trek in general for me is the way Tom pulls his tongue out and laughs. We switched genres and it was suddenly briefly like a cheesy horror film. The salamander babies couldn't make it worse for me after that.
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Me too. Now it makes 4!
I like that the whole cast works together so well. There are so many nice little scenes
Kes/Neelix (looking for Kes`quartier)
Neelix/Chakotay (Neelix asking Chakotay about being jealous)
Chakotay/Tuvok (the old conflict between them. Unfortunately they didn`t show more about it)
...
As for "the Fight"- although I`m a Chakotayfan I don`t like this episode. It`s chaotic and unbelievably. Chakotay: peaceful man and boxing!!Bad idea!
Agree about the other episodes.
I also don`t like "Muse", "Prophecy", "Threshold", "11:59", "Think Tank", "The Bride Of Chaotica", "The Raven", "Fury", "Sacred Ground", "False Profits", "The Thaw", "Heroes & Demons"
I thought "Twisted" was kind of fun, actually 
A bit like the Twilight Zone.
"11:59" could have been interesting. But to have a whole show mainly about Janeway's ancestor? Now, what would have been cool is seeing flashbacks of each of the crew's ancestors, not just hers. Really a wasted opportunity if you ask me.
"Muse" seems to me like an episode without much of a B-plot. All they did on Voyager was worry about B'Elanna and Harry, briefly. It was pretty much a nod to the contracts of the other cast, but not much else.
A bit like the Twilight Zone."11:59" could have been interesting. But to have a whole show mainly about Janeway's ancestor? Now, what would have been cool is seeing flashbacks of each of the crew's ancestors, not just hers. Really a wasted opportunity if you ask me.
"Muse" seems to me like an episode without much of a B-plot. All they did on Voyager was worry about B'Elanna and Harry, briefly. It was pretty much a nod to the contracts of the other cast, but not much else.
But that B plot was quite telling. Knowing how B'Elanna explained how deeply emotional, the unemotional Vulcan were, then seeing Tuvok work himself into a stupor looking for her, was epic.
I loved Muse!
Especially this part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF13pMAyiFE
"One to ascend...."
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Sad to say, (IIRC) the actress that played the scorned lover died after appearing a few times on Enterprise.
I loved Muse!
Especially this part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF13pMAyiFE
"One to ascend...."
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF13pMAyiFE[/yt]
Sad to say, (IIRC) the actress that played the scorned lover died after appearing a few times on Enterprise.
I can't hate "Threshold", just like I can't hate "Spock's Brain".
It's been ages since I saw it, but I remember liking "Darkling" - especially how EeeeeeevilDoc wore contacts and chin putty.
It's been ages since I saw it, but I remember liking "Darkling" - especially how EeeeeeevilDoc wore contacts and chin putty.
Thanks!King Daniel, I like your new avatar.
The Fight is a really bad episode. Even most bad Voyager episodes can say the story is competently structured, even though they are bad stories. The Fight is not even competently structured. It's a storytelling mess, it's boring, it's stupid, it makes no sense, and it was obviously some writer's bad excuse to bring back his favorite single appearance character from TNG.
Worst episode ever? No, Fair Haven, Spirit Folk and Threshold out-suck it.
Muse? Eh, it was a good try.
Worst episode ever? No, Fair Haven, Spirit Folk and Threshold out-suck it.
Muse? Eh, it was a good try.
I wonder better to portray something like Chaotic Space in a satisfying manner. All we really got was wobbly star effects and broken sensors.
Also I watched this epsiode about 2 weeks ago and I've already forgotten why the aliens attempts at communication made Chakotay hallucinate a boxing ring?
It's an episode that relies a lot on strange experiences - weird space, weird aliens - and can't really think of a good way to convey that to audiences. That or, looking at it the other way, round, they wanted a character piece with Chakotay and jotted in the scifi stuff just to justify it.
Also I watched this epsiode about 2 weeks ago and I've already forgotten why the aliens attempts at communication made Chakotay hallucinate a boxing ring?
It's an episode that relies a lot on strange experiences - weird space, weird aliens - and can't really think of a good way to convey that to audiences. That or, looking at it the other way, round, they wanted a character piece with Chakotay and jotted in the scifi stuff just to justify it.
Fury is the episode comes back all mad, right?
What's wrong with the episode?
What's wrong with the episode?
picsiskvinechef
Lieutenant
er.. boxing being dangerous is medical fact. do you also "scoff" at transfats being harmful, or tobacco?
Yeah, Kes comes back and her memories are twisted so she doesnt clearly remember her time on voyager
I think it's a great episode
picsiskvinechef
Lieutenant
Incidentally, I don't hate this ep, but it really is a WEIRD-arse one lol..
We did see Chakotay's people though, but still no tribe name lol.. Getting an elderly native American actor (who looked/sounded like the character in TNG's Journey End, well to me anyhow) to play his grandfather doesn't cut it.
We did see Chakotay's people though, but still no tribe name lol.. Getting an elderly native American actor (who looked/sounded like the character in TNG's Journey End, well to me anyhow) to play his grandfather doesn't cut it.
What's "great" with such unnecessary character destruction and a deliberate spit in the faces of the fans of that character?
I thought the epsode was good. Anytime a character acts differently than normal is interesting to see. There was some great action in it. Kes storming down the hall with everything blowing up behind her was a great scene!
I don't think the character was destroyed at all. At the end she was able to regain herself and went to help her people. That seems very Kes-like to me.
If you don't like the episode that's cool, I liked it though
^^
In that case, I must recommend "Warlord" which is a much better episode. In that one, Kes is possessed by an alien warlord, acts strange but is restored back to normal at the end. In "Fury" she was too much out of character and at the end became a pathetic wreck. That's what I call character destruction.
In that case, I must recommend "Warlord" which is a much better episode. In that one, Kes is possessed by an alien warlord, acts strange but is restored back to normal at the end. In "Fury" she was too much out of character and at the end became a pathetic wreck. That's what I call character destruction.
I've seen Warlord it's not one of my favorites.
I don't think Kes was a pathetic wreck. I think she lost herself, and with Janeway and her past self was able to find herself again. At the end she's the same kindhearted Kes, she even goes to try to help her own people. I don't think a pathetic wreck would do that
I don't think Kes was a pathetic wreck. I think she lost herself, and with Janeway and her past self was able to find herself again. At the end she's the same kindhearted Kes, she even goes to try to help her own people. I don't think a pathetic wreck would do that
Same actor.
I only saw that TNG ep once, was tha supposd to be Chakotay's tribe?
@KaraBear
Your avatar looks almost exactly like my childhood cat.
Also add False Profit to the list of episodes that forever protect all other episodes from being referred to as 'Worst ever'. WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! Honestly, with a population that stupid, without the Ferengi they all probably died of exposure, lacking the cognitive abilities to dress themselves in the morning.
I can accept that for Kes her complete isolation for years made her a bit loopy. But the knowledge they gained in the past made it so their actions in future episodes made no sense, and the fact that the ship being ripped apart by the Vidian hooks didn't change the future at all was another ridiculous abuse of the reset button.
Your avatar looks almost exactly like my childhood cat.
Also add False Profit to the list of episodes that forever protect all other episodes from being referred to as 'Worst ever'. WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! WINGS OF FIRE! Honestly, with a population that stupid, without the Ferengi they all probably died of exposure, lacking the cognitive abilities to dress themselves in the morning.
I can accept that for Kes her complete isolation for years made her a bit loopy. But the knowledge they gained in the past made it so their actions in future episodes made no sense, and the fact that the ship being ripped apart by the Vidian hooks didn't change the future at all was another ridiculous abuse of the reset button.
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