Spoilers The Fantastic Four: First Steps grade and discussion thread

[Guy Gardener]

I like your Steve Rogers comment. It would be particularly apt if the multiverse is indeed collapsed and they end up living on the main Earth. It would even be more interesting if they end up living on the main Earth and the rest of the world knows who they are and believes they've been living there for years.

As I've sat with the film for awhile, I really think it's one of the best MCU stories we've had in years. I think I like Thunderbolts just a little bit more, but that still makes two great stories in a row. My wife and kids thought it was great and they haven't liked a Marvel film since GOTG3. I hope that the FF get a sequel film after Secret Wars without too much delay.

The multiuniversal squash had everyone in 616 believe that Miles Morales Spider-Man had always been there but even if that happens for Marvel's First Family... They are still from the past.

The jew issues (wow, I'm going to leave that typo in, I'm typing on my phone.) of Captain America are set in a spongy era of the 60s/90s just 7 days after the Avengers revived Steve from the ice... So he's still going on missions for the Army (General Ross!) and they have current heretofore unheard of Captain America of the 60s/90s who is not Nuke, as Steve Roger's babysitter.

Even if this Fantastic Four from the new movie, is from a parallel world, maybe movie 616 has its own Fantastic Four who are pushing 120.

Ben and Reed, seem immortal?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I felt that Reed thought since the world loved them, they would understand. But he was also visibly shaken and not thinking clearly and didn't have a Plan B yet. In the end he was right, but Sue had to speak to them as a parent and also as part of their extended family.

I felt this aspect, while similar to Superman, worked better in First Steps because in Superman, people did a 180 against him the moment news broke from third parties. Trusting immediately what they saw in the media.

Since the movie Superman is trying to mirror today's society in a lot of ways, I didn't buy it. There wouldn't be a sudden collective turn based on media claims, even expert verification. We have people who doubt EVERYTHING from the media and experts ("9/11 was in inside job!"), people who don't ("trust the science"), and people in between . It was an expedient shortcut that didn't work for me. And then they all turned back just as quickly later on.

At least the world in First Steps heard all of this first had from the people involved.

Crisis actors?

Can Superman sniff out the difference between 200 true believers, and 200 Crisis actors with all of his super senses, working together?