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I'm intrigued by the interviews post-show which pick up on the dialogue between Karli and Sharon during their confrontation. Sharon trained Karli. It's possible she even had the serum running through her veins before she broke away and went Flag-Smasher. I wonder if that doesn't in some ways inform Karli's actions during the series.
Almost every time Karli escalates her actions, or goes more radical in her behaviors, it is in response to self-doubt or insecurity about either the morality of her actions or the worth of all the sacrifices being made for her mission. She's content to be a Robin Hood figure until Sharon's (then the anonymous PB) men kill one of her friends, after which she bombs the GRC facility. Losing Donya pushes her to consider making more super-soldiers. She chooses to try and kill Walker after Sam nearly reaches her during their first discussion post-memorial. After she (accidentally) kills Lamar and then Walker kills another of her friends she further escalates by bringing in a hired killer and making a very public attack on New York and the GRC council.
Even during the finale, as things escalate and the hostages are being brought to her in the locked vans, she seems to rebel against her own feelings of uncertainty by doubling down on her radicalization, insisting that it doesn't matter if she or the others die because the movement will live on. And during her final confrontation with Sam, where she seems to recognize that she can't bring herself to kill him in cold blood and grows upset when he won't fight back and give her an excuse she can live with.
It's like every time she perceives herself as feeling or displaying weakness, she leans hard the other way to steady herself. Her zeal is at least partially an affect, to hide her emotional turmoil. It's similar to the way Sharon has apparently abandoned her old sentiments toward justice and service to found a tyrannical empire built on violence and deception to counter her feelings of abandonment and serve her need to control her environment so she can't be hurt again.
Also, to Zemo's point, it kind of creates a self-perpetuating engine of radicalization. Every escalation leads to doubts, insecurities or questioning of herself which then leads to further escalation in response. Every show of strength makes her feel weak, which pushes her to project further strength. Zemo insisted that the only way to break that cycle was to kill her. But Sam very nearly gets her to acknowledge the line she can't cross before Sharon steps in.
On the other hand, he never really used any during the series. I suppose the handgun he threatened Zemo with, but I don't recall him carrying any other weapons during the run. That was more of an old school Winter Soldier thing.
Almost every time Karli escalates her actions, or goes more radical in her behaviors, it is in response to self-doubt or insecurity about either the morality of her actions or the worth of all the sacrifices being made for her mission. She's content to be a Robin Hood figure until Sharon's (then the anonymous PB) men kill one of her friends, after which she bombs the GRC facility. Losing Donya pushes her to consider making more super-soldiers. She chooses to try and kill Walker after Sam nearly reaches her during their first discussion post-memorial. After she (accidentally) kills Lamar and then Walker kills another of her friends she further escalates by bringing in a hired killer and making a very public attack on New York and the GRC council.
Even during the finale, as things escalate and the hostages are being brought to her in the locked vans, she seems to rebel against her own feelings of uncertainty by doubling down on her radicalization, insisting that it doesn't matter if she or the others die because the movement will live on. And during her final confrontation with Sam, where she seems to recognize that she can't bring herself to kill him in cold blood and grows upset when he won't fight back and give her an excuse she can live with.
It's like every time she perceives herself as feeling or displaying weakness, she leans hard the other way to steady herself. Her zeal is at least partially an affect, to hide her emotional turmoil. It's similar to the way Sharon has apparently abandoned her old sentiments toward justice and service to found a tyrannical empire built on violence and deception to counter her feelings of abandonment and serve her need to control her environment so she can't be hurt again.
Also, to Zemo's point, it kind of creates a self-perpetuating engine of radicalization. Every escalation leads to doubts, insecurities or questioning of herself which then leads to further escalation in response. Every show of strength makes her feel weak, which pushes her to project further strength. Zemo insisted that the only way to break that cycle was to kill her. But Sam very nearly gets her to acknowledge the line she can't cross before Sharon steps in.
On the other hand, he never really used any during the series. I suppose the handgun he threatened Zemo with, but I don't recall him carrying any other weapons during the run. That was more of an old school Winter Soldier thing.
When I think about it next to racism Sharon Carter might have been the main villain of the show. She organizes the flag smashers and helps the heroes so she can get a better job to help her agenda. Walker has issues but he is also trying to be a good soldier and the flag smashers want to help people hurt from the snap and Zemo danced. Even the government senator guy was frankly being more realistic than Sam and his speech when solving a problem like the snap returnees.
It wasn't just returnees.
The surplus population from the left overs, were mobile and moved across the world to where they were not wanted but sorely needed.
The returnees were preferential.
So the foreigner leftovers needed to be sent back to where they came from, even if that country no longer exists.
The surplus population from the left overs, were mobile and moved across the world to where they were not wanted but sorely needed.
The returnees were preferential.
So the foreigner leftovers needed to be sent back to where they came from, even if that country no longer exists.
Because Major Force knew who she was. This would seem to be the strongest of arguments FOR secret identities...
Nope, Jimmy Woo's still citing it as of Wandavision.
They're sensible enough not to risk an international incident over what cage he's thrown into; they're just happy that he's in a cage.
I knew who both Peggy and Sharon were thanks to the old Merry Marvel Marching Society cartoon with all the great theme songs and very little animation.
It was a cartoon? I thought it was a fan club, like the Banana Splits one I was a member of.
It was both. The fan club gave rise to the song, which was used as the main theme of the show. I think the cartoon went by a few different names in different areas/syndication runs.
What we figured out is that although Sokovian accords are still the law of the land in America, half to most of the countries that co-signed the accords, no longer exist.
All the new countries, as well as the unclaimed land, might be given the opportunity to sign the accords, or the at some point when it is decided that the world is stable, an equivalence will be drafted to take into consideration the blip and other factors.
The Wilson's boat?
A reduction in fishing will lead to an increase in fish.
Humanity needs half as much fish, but they can fish twice as easily.
A reduction in demand, equals a reduction in price.
They can fish twice as much in the same time for half the price.
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Probably not for a while. Remember, the first clue that the Hulk’s snap worked was that there were suddenly a lot more birds around. Half of all the fish probably dissolved (and then came back), too.
Of course, and one of comicdom's most infamous examples--Gwen Stacy--would never have happened if Osborn did not learn Spider-Man and Parker were one and the same.
The original umbrella title of the series--The Marvel Super-Heroes--was removed for syndication packages, and with it went that original main title sequence, with the song announcing "...the Marvel Super-Heroes have arrived!" Over the decades, nearly every rerun I've seen still rotated the characters on a 5-days a week schedule, but the package was usually referred to in TV guides and station announcements as "the super heroes", although in the late 1980s, there was a one-time change when Fox11 (Los Angeles) referred to the package as the "Marvel Super-Heroes"..
Like Marvel Super Heroes? That's what we had here.
Didn't see your post in time.
5 years of breeding with less predators.
The fish population probably returned to something similar to their presnap numbers with in a year. Which means when Hulk bought back all the blip fish, it would have lead to a massive resource shortage and they would have welcomed a culling from the Wilsons.
Although as fish becomes less expensive, then rich people food, becomes peasant food.
Was it Lex Luthor talking about Lobsters?
New markets.
Its still sell twice as many fish for half the cost.
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My first exposure to Marvel's hero lineup, back in '66.
Yeah, but both of them have the shield.
The Show has made them out to be different people.
One of then lives in a hut in the forest with the shield, and the other has a beautiful wife.
One of then lives in a hut in the forest with the shield, and the other has a beautiful wife.
You know I bet people returning from the snap also brought back climate change concerns. With less people you had less driving and pollution. At the same time it's possible you would have less qualified people for certain jobs. Maybe not enough people around working at nuclear power plants that should be working at those places.
Yes, I know. And yet both of them have the shield, which is the point here. It was always on display in the studio on The Late Show during in the Before Times. I think it's been seen in the fake office set, but I couldn't swear to it.
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