Blofeld is a eurotrash Lex
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Blofeld is a eurotrash Lex
Time travel splits the time line.
Losing a stone is just something unpleasant that can happen, that also splits the time line, although the stone can only leave the timeline via time travel, so it's still time travel that always splits the time line.
Merging would be unplesant.
When did they ever talk about merging?
Hulk said that he would bring the stone back to the moment it was taken, aborting a deviant timeline before it starts. Which is something he can't actually do.
Also its not about using the stones to fight evil, the stones create the flow of time. Take one stone away and the flow of time is weakened. It's like taking the nails out of a fence. Weaker then fallen.
Hulk also barely explained that their plan was to take three stones from this reality. Which is probably a hell of a lot worse than taking one. The walls of reality would surely crack from all that pressure.
It's also worth remembering that some of the threats the sorcerers are guarding against are of the "outside of time and space" variety, loosing an infinity stone from ANY timeline could potentially put them ALL at risk as that version of the universe could be an entry vector for something nasty.
Suppose all the farmers in the US got blipped. Where would our food come from? Some people could plant gardens but the people in large cities would still be in trouble for some time. There are just so many things that could have gone wrong, it is difficult to imagine it all or how it could have been handled.
Bucky: "I suppose you expect me to talk."
Zemo: "Ha ha! No Mr. Barnes, I expect you to die! Oeznik, get me Mr. Feld."
Given that using all the Infinity Stones apparently makes one's capacities likewise infinite, and given Thanos's preoccupations, I'd guess that farmers of all stripes disproportionately avoided the blip.
That would go against what he said to Doctor Strange about the process being random and dispassionate.
Zemo's resentment of super-powered people does lean heavily in the Luthor direction, but MC/TVU Zemo is not--at the moment--spouting the sort of atheistic / "worship me, not those who are gifted with power" diatribes associated with Luthor.
That's a good point about the supreme court. With all the talk about Biden packing the supreme court, I think yeah, we'd have 12-13 supreme court judges.
Supreme court justices work by slayer rules.
Supreme court justices work by slayer rules.
Definitely not Batman because Zemo seems to be over the tragedies in his life.
Isn't he wearing his daddy's hood?
Congressional apportionment.
1 congressman equals 750,000 people, per the Census.
Even if none of the congresspeople got blipped, half of them would have to fired after the next census, as half the districts eat each other.
Or they reduce representation ratio?
If some of the sates merge, that kicks senators to the wayside.
Congressional apportionment.
1 congressman equals 750,000 people, per the Census.
Even if none of the congresspeople got blipped, half of them would have to fired after the next census, as half the districts eat each other.
Or they reduce representation ratio?
If some of the sates merge, that kicks senators to the wayside.
He's finished the greiving process but I'm not sure that makes him "over it". He clearly finds any super soldier activity unfinished business. I get Batman vibe, but we are still learning about his motives as they are being retconned a bit from what we learned in "Winter Soldier".
Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance.
That's not what I get from that clip at all. All Bruce is saying is that you cannot change the past if you go back in time. As in, even if you want to, no matter how hard you try, you can't change the past. The Ancient One then explains that the past can be changed if Infinity Stones are removed.
Compared to Civil War I think his personality is too light to be like Batman now
That's not their past.
Their past has become the future.
(Which is how the clip described it)
Stark having a heart attack, and Loki surviving Infinity War had nothing to do with the stones being taken.
We still don't know how the multiverse is going to play out. The time travel as explained in Endgame seems to be fundamentally different than the concept of the multiverse.And if "What if" is similar in concept to the comic book, it explores possible alternate scenarios if stories had played out differently and is not meant to be a time travel show.
Well it seems to be official; the Power Broker is this series' Mephisto! *spins the fan theory roulette wheel*
So to give the old grandfather paradox example; going back and killing a grandparent before your parents are conceived will not blink you out existence. You will simply have created a divergent chain of probability; a new fork in the river of time and will continue to go down it and see how it plays out, all the while the fork you came from is still there and is unaffected; the chain of causality is unbroken.
I've been over this a few pages back, but once more for those determined not to comprehend: the way the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics works is that EVERY time there's ANY interaction between two or more particles where the outcome is less than 100% certain, all possible outcomes "happen" by splitting the universe into the proportional number of possible outcomes. And that is, has and will be going on from the big bang, all the way to the heat death of the universe.
What that means for fictional time travel stories is: functionally infinite timelines, and they're always there, all the time like a topographical map of probability; because the universe is a four dimensional object and time itself is an illusion. So all "time travel" really is, is traversing the network of infinite causal interactions (which is what they were doing by going through the quantum realm and why a system of navigation was so vital.) As soon as you arrive at your destination, by definition you're causing particle interactions just by existing there and you (or rather the functionally cloud of infinite "yous" that are part of the usual progression of time) experience a version of events that (at the quantum level) did not occur the first time your past self experienced them.
Time is not linear. Only our perception of it is.
No, he's saying you cannot change YOUR past. You can go back in time and change anything you like (and they do) but none of it changes YOUR personal past, because it's in your personal past and the time you've travelled to is now your personal future.
So to give the old grandfather paradox example; going back and killing a grandparent before your parents are conceived will not blink you out existence. You will simply have created a divergent chain of probability; a new fork in the river of time and will continue to go down it and see how it plays out, all the while the fork you came from is still there and is unaffected; the chain of causality is unbroken.
I've been over this a few pages back, but once more for those determined not to comprehend: the way the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics works is that EVERY time there's ANY interaction between two or more particles where the outcome is less than 100% certain, all possible outcomes "happen" by splitting the universe into the proportional number of possible outcomes. And that is, has and will be going on from the big bang, all the way to the heat death of the universe.
What that means for fictional time travel stories is: functionally infinite timelines, and they're always there, all the time like a topographical map of probability; because the universe is a four dimensional object and time itself is an illusion. So all "time travel" really is, is traversing the network of infinite causal interactions (which is what they were doing by going through the quantum realm and why a system of navigation was so vital.) As soon as you arrive at your destination, by definition you're causing particle interactions just by existing there and you (or rather the functionally cloud of infinite "yous" that are part of the usual progression of time) experience a version of events that (at the quantum level) did not occur the first time your past self experienced them.
Time is not linear. Only our perception of it is.
No, that's what it means for your idea of how time travel should work. *Fictional* stories can work however they want to and there is no evidence whatsoever that your interpretation is actually definitive regarding this particular film. Your interpretation goes directly *against* the entire idea of alternate timelines ever being created at all, which is explicitly canon based on the Ancient One's explanation, and it goes directly against the possibility of them ever being prevented at all, which is a pivotal central plot point of the entire movie.
Also, I really can't with the idea that Captain America living in his own past is automatically a travesty of character assassination no matter what yet the Avengers as a whole being directly responsible for dooming an *entire* reality (because it's impossible for them to ever return that time stone to where it was originally) is just A-OK.
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