Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

[Skywalker]

To be fair, Far from Home is the only post-Blip movie released so far, and while its depiction of the world post-Blip might seem incongruous with what we've seen so far in WandaVision and F&WS, that movie was also a co-production with Sony so that could explain some of it. Homecoming was pretty incongruous, too; "eight years later," anyone?

 

[Turtletrekker]

To be fair, Far from Home is the only post-Blip movie released so far, and while its depiction of the world post-Blip might seem incongruous with what we've seen so far in WandaVision and F&WS, that movie was also a co-production with Sony so that could explain some of it. Homecoming was pretty incongruous, too; "eight years later," anyone?

Homecoming also depicted a moment from Civil War differently from how it originally appeared. In Civil War, when Peter first sees Giant Man, he exclaims "holy shit!" . In Homecoming that same scene shows him being preoccupied with making his travel video at that moment.

 

[valkyrie013]

Number 3 good episode a lot better use of Baron Zemo then Winter Soldier was which was good but and basically a nice step in the road

As for the blip that would cause massive massive crap it could be shown better. Many refugee camps, many people coming back there home gone, their bank accounts gone, the wife or husband remarried, their children moved on.

full load of crap

And as said .. No food no shelter, many many people would die

 

[FreezeC77]

If you have a home/family to return to t

Number 3 good episode a lot better use of Baron Zemo then Winter Soldier was which was good but and basically a nice step in the road

As for the blip that would cause massive massive crap it could be shown better. Many refugee camps, many people coming back there home gone, their bank accounts gone, the wife or husband remarried, their children moved on.

full load of crap

And as said .. No food no shelter, many many people would die

In terms of food you would have gone from providing for nearly 8 billion people to 4 billion and then poof 5 years later gotta feed another 4 billion who just appear.

 

[JD]

I'm a big fan of Emily Van Camp thanks to Revenge, so I was pretty happy we spent a fair amount of time with her, and it looks we'll probably see more of her. That last bit with the her driver did seem suspicious, but I'm hoping she's still a good guy.
Things with Zemo were not what I expected, but I liked it. We got some good stuff with him, Bucky, and Sam.
Madripoor was pretty cool.
It was nice to get a bit insight, and backstory for Karli and Dovich.
Ayo popping up at the end was unexpected. We haven't seen her in any of the trailers or anything, so I'm curious how big of a role she's playing from here on.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I suspect that Sharon's dealings have taken a turn for the nefarious, but I'm hoping that she will return to the light rather than become a full-on villain.

 

[Jayson1]

I wonder which countries where hit hardest by the blip. It also occurred to me Wakanda despite it's advance tech could even be in bad shape. If 2 thirds of it's citizens vanished that would be a issue and maybe why they haven't been able to help the world in recovery. Jason

 

[JD]

One thing to keep in mind with how Far From Home dealt with the post-Blip world is that we got a fairly limited view of the world, and what we saw of Europe was part of a school trip, so they probably specifically picked places that had been the least effected.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

This whole 'New Captain America' storyline is like if The Boys wasn't written by sexually frustrated teenagers.

Was John Walker named after the scotch?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I suspect that Sharon's dealings have taken a turn for the nefarious, but I'm hoping that she will return to the light rather than become a full-on villain.

Could be misdirection.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This whole 'New Captain America' storyline is like if The Boys wasn't written by sexually frustrated teenagers.

Was John Walker named after the scotch?

Pretty sure he was. He also used "Jack Daniels" as an alias, IIRC.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Pretty sure he was. He also used "Jack Daniels" as an alias, IIRC.

Now I'm imagining Sam and Dean showing up in black suits as "Agent John Walker and Agent Jackson Daniels."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Now I'm imagining Sam and Dean showing up in black suits as "Agent John Walker and Agent Jackson Daniels."

Do they have a friend called "Jim Beam"?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Speaking of the snap, I always wondered how that would affect religion.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Speaking of the snap, I always wondered how that would affect religion.

I'm sure Thanosism became popular.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

This whole 'New Captain America' storyline is like if The Boys wasn't written by sexually frustrated teenagers.

Whoa! You really delivered a deep cut into The Boys writers!

Could be misdirection.

..including her request for a pardon, if she's working for some branch of the U.S government.

 

[Anwar]

I'm sure Thanosism became popular.

There was a theory that Zemo's mask would be him deliberately trying to look like Thanos, and that he'd be part of a cult that worshiped him.

That would have been a terrible direction for his character, but I can see how Thanos becoming a Godlike figure to people could work.

And it ties back to Zemo's point on the problem with elevating people to Icons and symbols.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There was a theory that Zemo's mask would be him deliberately trying to look like Thanos, and that he'd be part of a cult that worshiped him.

That would have been a terrible direction for his character, but I can see how Thanos becoming a Godlike figure to people could work.

And it ties back to Zemo's point on the problem with elevating people to Icons and symbols.

Didn't he find the mask in one of his family's cars that had been sitting unused for years? I suppose one of his associates could have left it there for him.

 

[Anwar]

Didn't he find the mask in one of his family's cars that had been sitting unused for years? I suppose one of his associates could have left it there for him.

Yes, he did. That's why until this episode it was just a random theory.

I have to say I'm enjoying how this show is also taking apart certain fictional concepts.

The whole thing about how some love interests are just there to give the leading man someone to kiss and then they're gone from the plot like they barely ever existed? Sharon shows how that goes and how it's pretty crappy to be abandoned like that, as if they didn't matter.

A nonwhite character taking over from a white guy? Steve clearly wanted it to happen, but the Government that had betrayed Steve and enough of the US Population weren't interested. And now Sam is seeing the dark side of Icons and what they can lead to.

To the point he's thinking the world might be better off if the Captain America mantle just died. Something Bucky is deadset against.

And why is Bucky so against it? Because of how he's elevated Steve and the Captain America mantle to a pedestal of flawlessness, the very thing that Zemo warned against.

 

[Xerxes82]

I suspect that Sharon's dealings have taken a turn for the nefarious, but I'm hoping that she will return to the light rather than become a full-on villain.

I think you've been hoodwinked. Which is fair. This is, after all, what Sharon Carter does. She becomes who the job demands. Just like how she was a sweet nurse living across the hall from Steve Rogers, for example.

Consider, Zemo's speech as the boys arrive at Madripoor. "We must remain in character at all times. Our lives depend on it."

I think Sharon is undercover, probably looking into the Power Broker and his organization. She intervenes to save Sam and Bucky from Selmy. She then does so again to rescue them from bounty hunters, and reveals herself to them even though she does not have to. If she's got nefarious motives, why? What is she gaining from it? There certainly could be some explanation offered down the road. But consider the simplest explanation, based on what we know of Sharon Carter from her previous appearances. She saw friends in danger and she took her shot, even though it probably messed up her work.

She can't tell them the truth, because of Zemo. He has contacts that could burn her, badly, if word got out. So she must now, as they did, remain in character at all times. She claims to be full of resentment and anger, all of which is probably both real to an extent and justified. She claims not to believe in the hero thing anymore. But she helps them even after she makes clear that she doesn't believe Sam can get her pardoned. She warns them to stay out of things, for their own safety. Then she helps them find Nagel and get out. She's doing what she knows she can to help, but doing it within the bounds of her cover character.