Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

[UssGlenn]

id they ever answer this aspect of the snap?

It seems that everyone reappeared exactly where they were when the snap occurred. What happened to the people who were on an aircraft in flight when they returned? Did they reappear in midair and fall to the ground?

The same thing would happen to people who perhaps lived in a multi-story building that had been torn down in the 5 year interim.

The Earth isn't in the same place in it's orbit and the Solar System had moved in the universe, everyone came back in a different "spot". The Mind Stone just did the heavy lifting on making sure people reappeared in logical places. The directors said Hulk kept that in mind when he made his wish.

 

[JD]

And another one.

Spoiler: Toy surprise

John Walker as U.S. Agent

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/IMG-20210325-WA0043-1.jpg

OK that looks like the actor's likeness, so that one is probably from the show.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Will Walker ever actually be called "US Agent" in the show?

 

[Reverend]

My point is, if the story needs Sam to be broke, fine, (although showing him working as a military contractor kind of defeats that purpose.)

I don't think Sam is meant to be broke, he's just not independently wealthy enough to write a check to solve all of the family business's problems (military wages tend not to get into the serious money brackets until at least the rank of colonel, and independent contractors are honestly not that different, unless there's some shady book fiddling going on.) Indeed it's made pretty clear that selling the boat and/or probably the family house (the former of which costs money just sitting there because berthing fees are a thing) would be sufficient and his sister is all for it, but as part owner he's digging his heels in because he's feeling sentimental, hence seeking a loan.

 

[Xerxes82]

And another one.

Spoiler: Toy surprise

John Walker as U.S. Agent

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/IMG-20210325-WA0043-1.jpg

Now that is interesting. I wonder if we'll see it in those colors in the show proper. Makes sense, particularly given the Build-a-Figure from that wave appears to be accessories for a Marvel Legends version of the Marvel Selects spoiler toy posted earlier in the week. If it's in both lines, it's almost certainly in the show, I would think. So maybe the color change associated with this one comes after that other development.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

My point is, if the story needs Sam to be broke, fine, (although showing him working as a military contractor kind of defeats that purpose.) If Sarah's issues are because of the Snap, then the government has failed. If Sarah was just a bad businesswoman that's a different story that really doesn't interest me in a show like this. I actually have a feeling that now the action is starting we won't see much about that subplot going forward.

I work in Finance and what happened at the bank was completely contrived. Yes, sole-ownerships have trouble getting loans in the first place, but the bank's refusal to consolidate the existing loans just means that Sarah goes to a bankruptcy trustee and starts with a consumer proposal. The bank would agree or settle for pennies on the dollar, if that. But fine, it's a TV show.

Lax, the episode was trying to make a comment on who gets consolidated loans more than others; Sarah said she's tried the consolidation route before and came up with the same result. Considering that cast and showrunner interviews have said the ideas of race (in relation to the shield / Captain America identity) will be a part of the plot, it would not be a stretch to think the associated sub-plots regarding others would make observations about the unique troubles black people would face whether they wear a superhero costume or not.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[Turtletrekker]

Lamar Hoskins!

And Star-Spangled man with a plan.

 

[Xerxes82]

I got a nice chuckle out of Star Spangled Man with a Plan. Nice touch.

Battlestar! Isaiah Bradley! And Eli, who totally isn't yet another Young Avenger showing up in the MCU all of a sudden. At this point we have all of our major teammates except for Teddy in play in some way. That can't possibly be a coincidence, can it?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Wow after last week just catching up with our heroes, we dive right into the thick of things this week. On top of introducing the new Captain America and Battlestar, we met Isaiah Bradley. And despite them not making him a World War II era Super Soldier, they brought a long enough of his Comics backstory to the show to make his story feel familiar. I wonder if the young man who is living with him was supposed to be Eli?

John Walker seems sincere in his desire to attempt to live up to Steve's Legacy, but there are certain things presented in his attitude, particularly when he told Sam and Bucky to stay out of his way, that would seem to foreshadow the John Walker I know from the comics.

 

[Xerxes82]

I'll admit, this is totally not how I thought they would bring Zemo into play. It makes perfect sense, in it's way.

And the Power Broker as well. This show is just loaded with comics lore. I wonder how they'll connect all these threads?

And John Walker totally isn't a dick... right up until he is. He's getting a little bit of the Mysterio treatment, it would seem. I'm curious whether they will go outright antagonist with him, or not.

And the counseling scene was probably my favorite bit of the whole episode. Watching Bucky finally just swallow his pride and throw it out there. If Steve was wrong about Sam, then he was wrong about Bucky. Ouch. Buck has put so much more than the usual symbolism into that shield. It's Steve to him, and Steve has basically made Sam his last hope to find belief in himself again. That's a lot of weight to put on one guy, no wonder Sam doesn't take it well.

 

[FPAlpha]

I too really like the therapy scene - what starts off as funny quickly got very real.

Awesome episode, they are quickly moving ahead though maybe a bit too quick given how easy those two meet up again. I expected them to be separated a bit more given the first episode but oh well. The truck was fight well done, it was good to see that the heroes can be outmatched and even lose ( that must sting for the new Cap, losing a his first fight). Bucky being the only superpowered fighter got his ass handed to him and it forces them to find other ways of dealing with the situation instead of straight punching through.

Meeting Isiah Bradley though was a big surprise, only hardcore fans of the comics know about that character and his history and i loved that scene, so much pain and sisappointment rolled into one. Given that there now is a way to "supe" up people i wonder if either the new Cap or even Sam will be given the treatment to upgrade them, can't have your most public superhero lose to a ragtag band of terrorists.

Now i wonder about the scenes of Sam practicing with the shield ( also very cool bit seeing Walker training the shield bouncing technique, which still makes no sense even in continuity for the shield to even be able to bounce at all given that Vibranium absorbs all kinetic force, it should drop down every time it is thrown at something). Could this be a complete misdirection on the trailer part and we actually won't see Sam handling the shield? Or maybe it'll happen near the end of the season if Sam finally accepts the legacy and has enough confidence to step into Steve's shoes and actually become Captain America

 

[thribs]

Pretty good episode but what’s with the black bars at the top and bottom. This is a tv show, not a movie.
The redhead is cute. She sounds British.

I also like when it ended that it recommended that I watch Taken. That’s a bit different to this.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Pretty good episode but what’s with the black bars at the top and bottom. This is a tv show, not a movie.
The redhead is cute. She sounds British.

I also like when it ended that it recommended that I watch Taken. That’s a bit different to this.

It’s a framing choice.
Gives things a cinematic scope and feel.
I don’t think Marvel wants this to feel too different from the movies visually. WandaVision was frames the same way whenever we weren’t in a sitcom setting.
In a couple of scenes the framing scale even shifted seamlessly as a stylistic storytelling device there.

 

[thribs]

I’m just messing with the people moaning about the ratio in Justice League. It doesn’t bother me.
I’m quite liking this new Captain America. I just assumed he would be a asshole.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Ah that flew completely over my head then. Haven’t watched JL Snyder Cut and didn’t interact on social media about it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Not surprised that they went into full action this episode and the show is already demonstrating the clever editing of the trailers. While it's no surprise John Walker showed up during the trailer truck sequence, the trailers didn't show any of him or Battlestar (who hadn't even been hinted at). Considering we also didn't know Isiah Bradley would show up (or at least I didn't know beyond that Carl Lumbly would appear), I'm looking forward to what surprising developments that may come in the following four episodes. Despite their respective name checks, we haven't gotten to Sharon or Zemo yet (even though we know the latter is coming next episode).

As expected, I loved the dynamics between Sam and Bucky with a mixture of frustration and grudging mutual respect because how much they care about Steve and and his legacy. The therapy session was especially enlightening because of Bucky's fear that if Steve was wrong about Sam then what if Steve was also wrong about Bucky? That one brief confession comes with a lot of weight considering everything Bucky was forced to do and everything Steve did to help pull bring back the Bucky he grew up with. On the surface, the show is about Captain America's legacy, but I'm much more interested in the legacy of the Winter Soldier and what that does to Bucky's psyche.

One thing really bothered me about this episode: John Walker's out-of-regulations haircut while wearing an Army uniform. For most of the episode, he wor the Captain America suit so no big deal there, but found his long hair very distracting during the opening scene. It's a small thing but it was still a glaring error that I'm disappointed that no one realized was problematic.

I wonder if the young man who is living with him was supposed to be Eli?

He was credited as "Eli Bradley" at the end.

 

[KennyB]

The redhead is cute. She sounds British.

She is and I'm sure she'll be thrilled that you think she's cute........she was also in Solo and has quite a few things in post.


Two things I liked about this week......The use of Mozart at the end and the detail that they yused the correst tail flash for the c-130 that would be flying out of Ramstein AB Germany: RS.

 

[thribs]

So if they had the super Soldier serum in the 50’s after Steve, why was Bruce helping to develop one in the 00’s. You mean him becoming the Hulk was avoidable?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

So if they had the super Soldier serum in the 50’s after Steve, why was Bruce helping to develop one in the 00’s. You mean him becoming the Hulk was avoidable?

Having a guess here:
It’s a low quality serum.
The serum by itself enhances people to a degree.
It’s the combination with Vitarays that made Steve so much more enhanced than everyone else.
With the Russians basically developing their own serum (or stealing it), it was part of an arms race to replicate the better one.
That’s where Banner and his Gamma ray work comes in.
It’s head canon explanation, but makes sense.