Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

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  1. Gaith

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    Yeah, the row of abandoned houses in San Francisco was one of the more outlandish parts of Endgame, a movie in which a seven-foot tall green metahuman facilitated time travel. :rommie:
     
  2. JirinPanthosa

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    You wouldn't want to move right in immediately. After it was refurbished, why not?

    If you were lost in a plane crash, everyone thought you were dead, and then you were rescued five years later, would you expect the current owners of your house to be evicted?
     
  3. Skipper

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    Ok, IRL what does concretely happen in these cases?
     
  4. LaxScrutiny

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    There are a few possibilities:
    1. You have a stream of income (dividends, pension) automatically deposited to your account, and bills set up to be paid automatically. There was a news story some time back where a fellow had done this, died, and the body wasn't discovered for years.
    2. There's no revenue stream, bills go unpaid, the municipality seizes the property for unpaid taxes if the bank hasn't already foreclosed. Creditors would sue for payment and seek court action when there is no response. This is all in response to unpaid bills; there would be little recourse other than a GoFundMe.
    3. Family has you declared dead and liquidates your estate. Ethically they should reimburse you but you have no legal claim to your house, car, etc. if you were legally dead.
    4. Your immediate family retains your property and investments, your spouse remarries and wants nothing to do with you. Legal chaos ensues.
     
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  5. TREK_GOD_1

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    You're right about how screwed the world would be after that event. The MCU wanted a big event to be the capper of a number of films/stories, but TPTB should have thought about a less destructive, consequential way of achieving that.

    Perhaps some audiences would have pushed it to the background if it was not addressed to any degree beyond what was seen in Far from Home, but this series placed it front and center as THE heart of the conflict (that's still unsolved), so it will be difficult to put that genie back in the bottle.
     
  6. Gaith

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    Heck no; Endgame's perfection will always be worth whatever Clerks-style silly questions it inspires. Ignored Death Star civilian contractor casualties? Overlooked post-Blip property law disputes? Totally worth it.

    If it's a tangled narrative nightmare you're after, the real world provides plenty of those.

    Counterpoint: no, it won't.

    ;)
     
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  7. USS Firefly

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    I have a question. Why is Barnes still called the Wintersoldier in the end? He is a different person then when he was the Wintersoldier. Why not the White wolf?
     
  8. TREK_GOD_1

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    Many viewers asked that question, and I do not believe there's been a concrete answer provided by TPTB. "Winter Soldier" has strong brand identity with the Bucky character, that Marvel may not want to discard the name.
     
  9. Gaith

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    Well, Bucky doesn't seem to have entirely embraced the name White Wolf; he seems to view it with bemusement. It's not even clear if he wants to stay in the avenging game. "Captain America and Bucky Barnes" might have been the ideal closing title, but they wanted to emphasize the former.
     
  10. Avalon

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    I'm pretty sure someone else already linked this article (or a similar one) pages ago in this thread, but it was easier to just to find and link it again:

    https://www.cbr.com/falcon-and-winter-soldier-finale-change/

    The closing title card of the finale of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier cemented Sam Wilson's status as the Marvel Cinematic Universe's (MCU) Captain America. However, according to showrunner Malcolm Spellman, Bucky also nearly got his own title card transition.

    "I got to see that moniker [White Wolf] in watching one of the cuts, and man, it really affected me emotionally," Spellman told The Hollywood Reporter. "I believe they wanted the impact of Captain America and the Winter Soldier to land. And I do think that had they done Captain America and the White Wolf, it might not have been as emotional of a landing because it's too much math and too much evolution. But I don't know for sure what it was. I got blindsided by that while watching the cut — but I loved it.”


    Spellman previously spoke about the end title card with ComicBook.com, saying that he hopes "people will forget that end title card as being an indicator of a commitment from Marvel" in terms of Bucky staying the Winter Soldier. "By the end of this series, Bucky is emerging as having shed the burden of the Winter Soldier. He has found a new family. Ironically, it's a Black family in Louisiana, you know what I'm saying? And he has tasted being a hero for the first time. And I think he's now free to become something amazing."
     
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  11. DEWLine

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    So...next season - after Cap 4 - for that title change.

    Seems a good plan.
     
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  12. Turtletrekker

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  13. The Nth Doctor

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    Finally! I checked just yesterday to see if they released it yet.

    ...and it was well worth the wait! :lol:
     
  14. Starkers

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    Have to admit I was hoping for "Captain America and Bucky". White Wolf seems awfully generic.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    There's already an Avenger called Red Wolf.

    Lets not overcomplicate things.
     
  16. The Nth Doctor

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    There's also already a White Wolf character in Wakanda and it wasn't Bucky. Doesn't mean the name can't be used a second time in a completely different context.
     
  17. Thestral

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    There's also this guy in pop culture right now.

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  18. Grendelsbayne

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    Toss a coin to your White Wolf o Valley of Wakanda!

    ...

    But in all seriousness, even if they used the ww name for Bucky I really don't see it causing any confusion with Geralt at all. Did the show ever even once refer to him as anything other than Geralt or Witcher? Cuz if so, it wasn't very memorable.
     
  19. Skipper

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    Falcon and The Winter Soldier's Lack of Queer Representation Isn't On Anthony Mackie

    Ok, if you like to imagine that there is a romantic and sexual relationship in something that is clearly represented as a friendship, go write a fan fiction. I don't understand why you have to bother the actors about you fantasies. And in any case, you should ask producers, directors or writers these kind of questions.
     
  20. theenglish

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    I thought the portrayal of Bucky and Sam's friendship was well done, and it reminded me in many ways of my fruendships. Guy friends have heartfelt chats while they are doing things. In my case it is often shooting pool or throwing darts. The conversation while Sam and Bucky were tossing the shield back and forth reminded me a lot of that and it was a detail that was aplreciated. Strong, hetero, male friendships are also not a thing we see on screen very much.