We see some Klingon breasts and full backal nudity. Some O face close ups. Low range "graphic."
The F**k word in Star Trek
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"Dammit, Jim" didn't happen until the movies.
Yes. They're in the link.Right graphic by ST standards. Trois mind rape was mild compared to the Disco scene. I haven't scene the Disco scene in forever. Did the breasts have nipples?....
I think Ackroyd says it as McCoy in the SNL sketch.
Oh damn, I forgot about that.... Yeah that was quite graphic.
Ah. Thanks. Missed that..
I've not read the entire thread, but as others have referenced, the rules were a lot different for 1960s broadcast TV. Voyage Home does establish that Kirk is bad at swearing, but by then we're well into Gene's utopian period. I think the more asperational but less implemented Federation of TOS would still have swearing, and the absence of it then - and the presence of it now - is about shifting standards of what's allowed on TV more than anything else.
It would feel wrong to have F-Bombs in a TOS episode, because so much about that show is 1960s storytelling. It feels fine to have them in SNW, because that show is very solidly in 21st century storytelling.
It would feel wrong to have F-Bombs in a TOS episode, because so much about that show is 1960s storytelling. It feels fine to have them in SNW, because that show is very solidly in 21st century storytelling.
This is nothing particular to story telling today that would be inclusive of more swearing.
The reason even a little bit of it has a big reaction in the films was because it's not a Star Trek thing. It's like swearing in Harry Potter. It rarely happens, and when it does, it's used to huge effect.
You don't get that effect when you use it a lot.
Other franchises use it more, or they develop their own like BSG.
The '80s stuff in The Voyage Home was written by Nicholas Meyer. I don't think you can chalk up the comedy about profanity to Gene or his evolving idea of what Trek was.
Plus, Gene's Utopia thing didn't begin until TNG, which was still a year away when TVH came out.
The film before has Kirk using the word bastard and McCoy using son of a bitch. Even within the context of the films it wasn't foreign.
I don't know if this has been mentioned on this thread or not (too long and I'm too tired to read it) but there were at least one or two times that Picard swore in French.
I still remember watching an episode of TNG when it first aired with my visiting cousin who is fluent in French. Picard muttered "Merde" and my cousin got big eyes and giggled. When she saw I was confused, she said "He just said sh!t."
I still remember watching an episode of TNG when it first aired with my visiting cousin who is fluent in French. Picard muttered "Merde" and my cousin got big eyes and giggled. When she saw I was confused, she said "He just said sh!t."
"They're still using money" comes from TVH. I'm pretty sure we're seeing the underpinnings of the Utopia there, even if it's not fully realised yet.
Of course there is. Modern (meaning in the last two decades) society is much, much less concerned about casual swearing than most of the 20th Century was. That social attitude finds its way into storytelling. Is "comfortable including expletives in anything not specifically designed for kids?" a key factor in 21st Century storytelling? No. Is it part of it? Yes.
Granted that America's lingering puritanism and its unusual (for Western / Euro-descended societies) reaction to anything involving sex makes the F-Bomb a bigger deal to many Americans than it is in other parts of the world, which will skew the discussion about that word in specific. Even so. Swearing in TV and movies has been normalised in the last few decades, and that is part of the evolution in storytelling (especially in video format, but also true in novels) over the last century or so.
I tend to fricking agree, though I myself speculated before how TOS might have fared had it first ran on HBO. No doubt ''The Man Trap'' would have Spock yelling at McCoy ''It's fucking killing the goddamn Captain!'' or perhaps ''It's goddamn killing the fucking Captain!''. We'll never truly fucking know, but it's fucking amusing to imagine such shit in retrospect.
What about "Goddammit! It's killing the fucking Captain!"
I lowercased mine so the real Capitalized One may be less mad at me in the future.What about "Goddammit! It's killing the fucking Captain!"
I lowercased mine so the real Capitalized One may be less mad at me in the future.
I'm sure He'll forgive you if you capitalize it at the start of a sentence.
By Jove! Such a clever method of ass-covering...I'm sure He'll forgive you if you capitalize it at the start of a sentence.
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