The Enterprise That Wasn't

[JonnyQuest037]

^ I try not to overthink it.

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[Saul]

I think China and India got rid of some of the anglicised words Peking went back to Bejing etc

Some countries like Japan still call it Peking.

I think that a prequel of a prequel could work (a prequel to Archers NX-01 Enterprise), even if set in another timeline. Using a primitive ring ship.

I'd keep it in the same timeline and just have it show the other 99% of Starfleet that didn't have fancy warp 5 ships, transporters or phase pistols.

 

[Arpy]

I think this could be a series in the coming decades. It’d be closer to real life and inspired by our landing on Mars. The more fantastical Trek there’ll be plenty of, but I think one closer to reality could resonate with people. It would mean reimagining some of the Trek tech and history to correlate to the real world, but I could easily see a ringship series in a new branch of Trek series called “The Multiverse” or something. In fact, that could give us multiple series (like the five in the works today) from different perspectives.

 

[STEPhon IT]

That design should've been NX-01; I would've love to see an evolution in Starship designs throughout the eras. What worked, what failed and we see progression or a hindsight for the future to come.

 

[FederationHistorian]

That design should've been NX-01; I would've love to see an evolution in Starship designs throughout the eras. What worked, what failed and we see progression or a hindsight for the future to come.

Or that design with a sphere added to be its head, like a Daedalus-class ship. And the XCV-330 deflector dish underneath.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Yes, a phase where it doesn't appear the saucer was the genesis all along. For me, it's boring to think the Starship Enterprise wasn't an evolution, a state of the art super vessel for star travel. NX-01, DISCO-prequels tried too hard to upstage that beautiful design. And they can't!

 

[Phoenix219]

^ I try not to overthink it. I mean, how dumb and arrogant would we need to be not to, after three hundred years, still call Vulcans by our name for them, not theirs? Or the Romulans? Or the Delta-ns or Beta-zed-s, or the Orion’s? On and on... I mean, we don’t even have their name for themselves that we don’t use, only ours.

I’m more comfortable not thinking about it than pulling an ENT and suggesting that “Romulan” is their name for themselves.

But then I was comfortable without Worf having to address why he looked different from other Klingons in “Trials and Tribble-ations” too. That breaking for the fourth wall was more disturbing than the production issues massaging we all do for ourselves.

I had a friend in Europe, and was quite surprised to find out that the word for their country in their own language was actually nothing like the official, English, world wide accepted name of their country, to the point where they even referred to their country by our terminology.

 

[Phoenix219]

^ I try not to overthink it. I mean, how dumb and arrogant would we need to be not to, after three hundred years, still call Vulcans by our name for them, not theirs? Or the Romulans? Or the Delta-ns or Beta-zed-s, or the Orion’s? On and on... I mean, we don’t even have their name for themselves that we don’t use, only ours.

I’m more comfortable not thinking about it than pulling an ENT and suggesting that “Romulan” is their name for themselves.

But then I was comfortable without Worf having to address why he looked different from other Klingons in “Trials and Tribble-ations” too. That breaking for the fourth wall was more disturbing than the production issues massaging we all do for ourselves.

I always wished that during this episode, they had done Worf's make up like a TOS Klingon, and not had ANYONE say a WORD about it or any differences at all.

 

[fireproof78]

I think I would have a saucer in the rings.

 

[Arpy]

Yes, a phase where it doesn't appear the saucer was the genesis all along. For me, it's boring to think the Starship Enterprise wasn't an evolution, a state of the art super vessel for star travel. NX-01, DISCO-prequels tried too hard to upstage that beautiful design. And they can't!

I’d like to see a more diverse set of Enterprise designs, like on the rec-deck wall in TMP. It goes from sails to aircraft carriers to shuttle to ringship to saucers to ?

I always wished that during this episode, they had done Worf's make up like a TOS Klingon, and not had ANYONE say a WORD about it or any differences at all.

This would have been a great way to do it that acknowledges the difference and plays with it yet changes nothing in-universe. (I loathe how not one of these STARFLEET OFFICERS, including the genetically-engineered Superman, knows that their greatest historical enemy looked just like them 90 years ago.) And it would have given us forehead-free Michael Dorn for additional fun.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I always wished that during this episode, they had done Worf's make up like a TOS Klingon, and not had ANYONE say a WORD about it or any differences at all.

That would've been fun, especially watching some of the more anally-retentive fans tie themselves into knots trying to "explain" it afterwards.

 

[fireproof78]

t goes from sails to aircraft carriers to shuttle to ringship to saucers to ?

 

[uniderth]

I think the most obvious thing would have been to have the Starfleet officers aknowledged that they were Klingons without any problem. There was no need to have it be a bigger issue than it was.

 

[Tim Walker]

Following the initial warp drive prototypes, I imagine this to be the first operational starship built by humans.

 

[Arpy]

^ The First Refit Enterprise

 

[Tim Walker]

And a next generation ship might be similar to this. Note that we see a hint of a saucer like structure.

Maybe the Andorians and/or Tellarites brought nacelles to Star Fleet ships.

 

[uniderth]

But the Phoenix already had nacelles. Not to mention the Bonaventure(C1-21), the S.S. Valiant(the model did, though it wasnt seen onscreen), and the Bonaventure 10281NCC all had nacelles.

Edit: Oh, also the Friendship One probe.

 

[Henoch]

Extrapolating the United Earth from today's world governments, we find a strong resistance to name any new Earth space vessels after capitalist symbols, so, for the next two plus centuries, no ships would be named Enterprise, Constitution, Congress, Republic, etc...

 

[uniderth]

Extrapolating the United Earth from today's world governments, we find a strong resistance to name any new Earth space vessels after capitalist symbols, so, for the next two plus centuries, no ships would be named Enterprise, Constitution, Congress, Republic, etc...

Wait, is this really a thing?

And I don't mean to derail but are are Constitution, Congress, Republic capitalist symbols? They seem more like political symbols and economic.

 

[Arpy]

But the Phoenix already had nacelles. Not to mention the Bonaventure(C1-21), the S.S. Valiant(the model did, though it wasnt seen onscreen), and the Bonaventure 10281NCC all had nacelles.

No Phoenix. FC ignored a lot of in-universe history so I don’t mind ignoring it here. I think we’re all talking parallel universes from canon’s, and I don’t mind a bit.

The Bonaventure from TAS looked post-Daedalus, practically a contemporary of TOS Ent. I like the Bonaventure in Sisko’s office along with the Daedalus. That’s the first nacelle ship.

Valiant is easier as it wasn’t onscreen. I could go either way there. Either it was launched later and looked closer to the non-canon version or it looked closer to this.

EDIT: @Henoch do you mean US/UK “imperialism” symbols? There isn’t anything especially capitalist about any of those ship names. And capitalism might still be around in this time period.