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The Dominion war.

ProtoAvatar's argument is fool-proof.
The Dominion instigated conflict at every juncture.

An Act of War is when one official representative makes an act of encroachment or destruction upon another official representative of another governement. Anything less is a terrorist act or a police action.

Jem'Hadar fired first on the USS Odyssey in unclaimed interstellar space. This happens to the Federation all the time. If it had been Romulan or Klingons there would be an armada on the way to the Wormhole in short order as we saw in The Die is Cast.
 
Sure, you can say that the Feds mining the wormhole was the first act of the official war but would there have BEEN an official war if the Dominion hadn't started the Cold War with their various acts? No.

They brought it on themselves, did they honestly think that the Feds would sit back and do nothing while they built up a massive invasion force RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES? Anyone with half a brain could tell what was going to happen if they hadn't mined the wormhole.

There is a difference between a cold war and a war. Look up at the real cold war that happened. A cold war doesn't have to lead to war but an act of war does.

Yes it does. The ships weren't being sent only through their territory. The ships were being sent through the Bajoran wormhole, which was being controlled by DS9, a Bajoran spacestation under Starfleet administration. And I suppose you're going to argue that it "doesn't matter what the intention of the Dominion was" when they infiltrated the AQ and caused a lot of disruption and war?

The wormhole was an open port. The Dominion later signed a non-aggression pact.

Oh and the whole disruption thing was part of the cold war. Not the war.

I'll use your own logic. When the Dominion started sending far more warships than was required to defend Cardassia, they knew how the UFP would react. When the UFP decided to take just one action against the Dominion (a very responsible one given that they controlled the wormhole and had the right to do whatever with it with Bajoran and the Prophets' blessings) by mining the wormhole, the Dominion invades Bajoran space and directly attacks DS9, a Starfleet administered Bajoran spacestation.

Only one problem. The Bajoran wormhole was an open port. The Cardassian Union was part of the Dominion territory. See the difference?

Infiltration, causing dissent, causing war and directly attacking a spacestation or mining a wormhole which you control anyway?

Again cold war not part of the war.


Territory they gained by sponsoring a rogue Gul's coup over the legitimate government.

It's not up to the Federation if a coup happens or not. The Prime directive stops them from doing so. They also didn't interfere with the Klingon invasion until the Klingons attacked them.
 
Didn't Starfleet and the Klingons send a massive task force across the boarder into Dominion/Cardassian space while the Dominion/Cardassians sent their little fleet to Deep Space Nine?

As for who started the war, I've always put the mining of the Wormhole down as the straw that broke the camels back. War was inevitable but it took that act by Starfleet to cause hostilities to break out openly.
 
Didn't Starfleet and the Klingons send a massive task force across the boarder into Dominion/Cardassian space while the Dominion/Cardassians sent their little fleet to Deep Space Nine?

As for who started the war, I've always put the mining of the Wormhole down as the straw that broke the camels back. War was inevitable but it took that act by Starfleet to cause hostilities to break out openly.

Yeah Sisko was boasting that while the Dominion/Cardassian forces were trying to stop the wormhole from being mined the UFP/Klingons were attacking Dominion territory.
 
Yeah Sisko was boasting that while the Dominion/Cardassian forces were trying to stop the wormhole from being mined the UFP/Klingons were attacking Dominion territory.

I don't think it was boasting, was more a case of, we had tp endure this attack which meant the fleet could be somewhere else, a necessary evil as it were.
 
I wished:

A) Feds had used a workable Transphaic Cloak
B) Feds/Klingons (using said tech) had launched a Doolittle like raid on Cardassia
C) Feds/Klingons/Romulan squad could have made it to the Founders new planet, using drones and bombarded the planet and annihilated the Founders
 
I wished:

A) Feds had used a workable Transphaic Cloak
B) Feds/Klingons (using said tech) had launched a Doolittle like raid on Cardassia
C) Feds/Klingons/Romulan squad could have made it to the Founders new planet, using drones and bombarded the planet and annihilated the Founders


Which would have resulted in a massive Jem'Hadar ambush and to the destruction of those forces leaving the Alpha Quadrant exposed. We know the Founders infiltrated the Klingons,Romulans and the Federations. What makes you think they wouldn't know about this raid and use it to their advantage. Especially when the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar failed.
 
I wished:

A) Feds had used a workable Transphaic Cloak
B) Feds/Klingons (using said tech) had launched a Doolittle like raid on Cardassia
C) Feds/Klingons/Romulan squad could have made it to the Founders new planet, using drones and bombarded the planet and annihilated the Founders


Which would have resulted in a massive Jem'Hadar ambush and to the destruction of those forces leaving the Alpha Quadrant exposed. We know the Founders infiltrated the Klingons,Romulans and the Federations. What makes you think they wouldn't know about this raid and use it to their advantage. Especially when the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar failed.

Drone: unmanned ship
Garak had it right, what's a few lives in replacement of the entire AQ
 
I wished:

A) Feds had used a workable Transphaic Cloak
B) Feds/Klingons (using said tech) had launched a Doolittle like raid on Cardassia
C) Feds/Klingons/Romulan squad could have made it to the Founders new planet, using drones and bombarded the planet and annihilated the Founders


Which would have resulted in a massive Jem'Hadar ambush and to the destruction of those forces leaving the Alpha Quadrant exposed. We know the Founders infiltrated the Klingons,Romulans and the Federations. What makes you think they wouldn't know about this raid and use it to their advantage. Especially when the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar failed.

Drone: unmanned ship
Garak had it right, what's a few lives in replacement of the entire AQ


Those drones would have to be built somewhere. They would have to be controlled somewhere. There would have to be a mission centre somewhere. What makes you think that the Changlings wouldn't pose has one of hundrends of people involved in this and cause havoc?
 
Which would have resulted in a massive Jem'Hadar ambush and to the destruction of those forces leaving the Alpha Quadrant exposed. We know the Founders infiltrated the Klingons,Romulans and the Federations. What makes you think they wouldn't know about this raid and use it to their advantage. Especially when the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar failed.

It would have hardly left the Alpha Quadrant exposed if it was a Doolittle type raid. Even if they sent a similar size force as the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar it would have really had little affect on the fleets of the Feds and Klingons.

The main problem would be that they had no idea where the Founder's new planet was so attacking it was out of the question. I'd also have to question whether the Federation would have to stomach to raze Cardassia Prime to ashes.

Those drones would have to be built somewhere. They would have to be controlled somewhere. There would have to be a mission centre somewhere. What makes you think that the Changlings wouldn't pose has one of hundrends of people involved in this and cause havoc?

From what we saw on screen after the Changeling Bashir was killed they did not seem to feature much once the war turned hot. This might have been because most of the Founders were sent back to the GQ once Cardassia joined or maybe the Federation's anti-Founder measures somehow amazingly worked. In fact the only time I remember seeing any Founder trouble was when Odo was committing and attacking the Dominion and Cardassia later in the war.


Territory they gained by sponsoring a rogue Gul's coup over the legitimate government.
It's not up to the Federation if a coup happens or not. The Prime directive stops them from doing so. They also didn't interfere with the Klingon invasion until the Klingons attacked them.[/QUOTE][/quote]

Except where they warned the Cardassians and then conspired to evacuate the Detapa Council, no they didn't interfere at all.
 
Sure, you can say that the Feds mining the wormhole was the first act of the official war but would there have BEEN an official war if the Dominion hadn't started the Cold War with their various acts? No.

They brought it on themselves, did they honestly think that the Feds would sit back and do nothing while they built up a massive invasion force RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES? Anyone with half a brain could tell what was going to happen if they hadn't mined the wormhole.
There is a difference between a cold war and a war. Look up at the real cold war that happened. A cold war doesn't have to lead to war but an act of war does.

Yes it does. The ships weren't being sent only through their territory. The ships were being sent through the Bajoran wormhole, which was being controlled by DS9, a Bajoran spacestation under Starfleet administration. And I suppose you're going to argue that it "doesn't matter what the intention of the Dominion was" when they infiltrated the AQ and caused a lot of disruption and war?
The wormhole was an open port. The Dominion later signed a non-aggression pact.

Oh and the whole disruption thing was part of the cold war. Not the war.



Only one problem. The Bajoran wormhole was an open port. The Cardassian Union was part of the Dominion territory. See the difference?

Infiltration, causing dissent, causing war and directly attacking a spacestation or mining a wormhole which you control anyway?
Again cold war not part of the war.


Territory they gained by sponsoring a rogue Gul's coup over the legitimate government.
It's not up to the Federation if a coup happens or not. The Prime directive stops them from doing so. They also didn't interfere with the Klingon invasion until the Klingons attacked them.


So you arbitrarily decide what's "cold war" and what's "war"? So why can't mining of the wormhole be part of the cold war if all those other things the Dominion did was to be considered a part of the cold war? I certainly consider it that way.

I disagree with the notion that merely mining the wormhole which the Bajorans/Starfleet controlled through DS9 was an act of war.(And no, the wormhole isn't an "open port") It wasn't an aggressive attacking move. How many loyal Dominion soldiers and warships were destroyed because the wormhole was mined? Z-E-R-O. The Dominion could have still chosen not to take any overt action of war. However, attacking DS9 almost certainly was an openly hostile action, after which neither side could stop themselves from going to war. How many Dominion and UFP soldiers, and warships were destroyed because the Dominion decided to attack and take DS9? Definitely more than ZERO that's for sure.

Now granted that there are reasons for events playing out the way they did, which includes the mining of the wormhole and includes all of the hostile "cold war" acts of the Dominion
that preceded the actual war. War comes about as a result of escalation, and escalation happens as a result of past hostile acts.

The Dominion was far more hostile than the UFP and there were many more aggressive acts against the UFP than the other way around. There was simply no reason for the Dominion to be this belligerent, other than to deny any opportunity for peaceful settlement and prepare for eventual war.
 
It's
not up to the Federation if a coup happens or not. The Prime directive stops them from doing so. They also didn't interfere with the Klingon invasion until the Klingons attacked them.
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Except where they warned the Cardassians and then conspired to evacuate the Detapa Council, no they didn't interfere at all. [/QUOTE]

If you remember correctly then you would remember that Sisko didn't warn the Cardassians. Because of Starfleet they had to tell Garak and he had to warn them.

Oh and The evacuation of the Detapa Council was a matter for Federation-Cardassian matters. If you remember correctly the Defiant didn't attack the Klingons when they were rescuing until they themselves got attacked. If they started out guns blazing they would have been interfering.


So you arbitrarily decide what's "cold war" and what's "war"? So why can't mining of the wormhole be part of the cold war if all those other things the Dominion did was to be considered a part of the cold war? I certainly consider it that way.


I didn't make up the definition for a cold war. It's there already and exists in dictionaries. You should look it up.

Oh and the mining of the wormhole lead to the conflict it. If anything it's a casus belli.


I disagree with the notion that merely mining the wormhole which the Bajorans/Starfleet controlled through DS9 was an act of war.(And no, the wormhole isn't an "open port") It wasn't an aggressive attacking move. How many loyal Dominion soldiers and warships were destroyed because the wormhole was mined? Z-E-R-O. The Dominion could have still chosen not to take any overt action of war. However, attacking DS9 almost certainly was an openly hostile action, after which neither side could stop themselves from going to war. How many Dominion and UFP soldiers, and warships were destroyed because the Dominion decided to attack and take DS9? Definitely more than ZERO that's for sure.

It was an aggresive move by the UFP. What did they expect the Dominion to do when they were cut off from their main territories? Sit back and wonder? No. They knew war would happen. That is why they were requesting help. It was a clearly hostile act and they knew it. Even when Weyoun came to warn them about their action they proceeded.

There was only one way the Dominion COULD react to stop the wormhole being mined.


Now granted that there are reasons for events playing out the way they did, which includes the mining of the wormhole and includes all of the hostile "cold war" acts of the Dominion
that preceded the actual war. War comes about as a result of escalation, and escalation happens as a result of past hostile acts.

The hostility and atmosphere was increased by the mining was the final spark. No it wasn't just that. It was throwing a keg of lit gunpowder down a basement full of explosives.


The Dominion was far more hostile than the UFP and there were many more aggressive acts against the UFP than the other way around. There was simply no reason for the Dominion to be this belligerent, other than to deny any opportunity for peaceful settlement and prepare for eventual war.


Of course they were hostile towards the Federation. But they were careful not to make extreme moves for example mining a wormhole.
 
So you arbitrarily decide what's "cold war" and what's "war"? So why can't mining of the wormhole be part of the cold war if all those other things the Dominion did was to be considered a part of the cold war? I certainly consider it that way.
I didn't make up the definition for a cold war. It's there already and exists in dictionaries. You should look it up.

Please refrain from insulting my intelligence. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word respect.

Oh and the mining of the wormhole lead to the conflict it. If anything it's a casus belli.
No, the massive build-up of Dominion warships was the casus belli and led to the conflict.


I disagree with the notion that merely mining the wormhole which the Bajorans/Starfleet controlled through DS9 was an act of war.(And no, the wormhole isn't an "open port") It wasn't an aggressive attacking move. How many loyal Dominion soldiers and warships were destroyed because the wormhole was mined? Z-E-R-O. The Dominion could have still chosen not to take any overt action of war. However, attacking DS9 almost certainly was an openly hostile action, after which neither side could stop themselves from going to war. How many Dominion and UFP soldiers, and warships were destroyed because the Dominion decided to attack and take DS9? Definitely more than ZERO that's for sure.
It was an aggresive move by the UFP. What did they expect the Dominion to do when they were cut off from their main territories? Sit back and wonder? No. They knew war would happen. That is why they were requesting help. It was a clearly hostile act and they knew it. Even when Weyoun came to warn them about their action they proceeded.

There was only one way the Dominion COULD react to stop the wormhole being mined.
It was first an aggressive move by the Dominion. What did they expect the UFP to do when they were building up a gigantic fleet of warships to eventually conquer the Federation? Sit back and wonder and wait for the inevitable? No. They knew the UFP would respond and war would happen. That's why they made no attempt at any time to make peace in good faith and went ahead with all their scheming and plotting against the UFP. It was a clearly hostile act and they knew it. Even when Sisko warned them about not bringing anymore ships, Weyoun simply refused and proceeded with it anyway.

There was only one thing the UFP COULD do to stop the massive buildup of an armada to stop themselves from being destroyed by the eventual invasion.

Now granted that there are reasons for events playing out the way they did, which includes the mining of the wormhole and includes all of the hostile "cold war" acts of the Dominion
that preceded the actual war. War comes about as a result of escalation, and escalation happens as a result of past hostile acts.
The hostility and atmosphere was increased by the mining was the final spark. No it wasn't just that. It was throwing a keg of lit gunpowder down a basement full of explosives.
The hostility and atmosphere increased by the Dominion buildup of warships was the final spark. No it wasn't just that. It was throwing a keg of lit gunpowder down a basement full of explosives.


The Dominion was far more hostile than the UFP and there were many more aggressive acts against the UFP than the other way around. There was simply no reason for the Dominion to be this belligerent, other than to deny any opportunity for peaceful settlement and prepare for eventual war.
Of course they were hostile towards the Federation. But they were careful not to make extreme moves for example mining a wormhole.
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Yeah right. Building up a gigantic armada, infiltrating AQ powers and causing war and mayhem, attempting to destroy Bajor and billions of its inhabitants and other acts that other posters have mentioned....not extreme moves. Mining your own territory... an extreme move. Gotcha. :techman:
 
Another point are the non-aggression pacts. Did they even approach the Federation and Klingons? It was obvious from the moment this was mentioned that the Dominion was already preparing for some kind of military action and this was BEFORE Sisko and Starfleet decided to mine the wormhole. Why bother signing such agreements if it were not to prepare for war? Did the Federation know of these negotiations before our heroes on DS9 found out? They probably did. So clearly, the Dominion was preparing for war as they were signing treaties with so many other powers around the Federation.
 
One thing that I don't get is this. Why do the AQ Allies feel the need to piss of the Dominion.

The Dominion told them not to go the Gamma Quadrant. Yet people like Sisko feel the need and entitlement to go there.

It was actually Jadzia who had the "we can explore where we want!" line of dialogue. On the one hand, it's inexplicable that the Feds feel the need to explore on the other side of the wormhole when, if the wormhole did not exist, they would simply continue their regular pattern of exploration and be none the poorer for it.

Was outer space in the GQ so much nicer than outer space in the AQ? Were the planets different? Star Trek has never implied that different sectors of the galaxy are noticeably different in the proportion of habitable planets, which is always at an unrealistically common level. (If habitable planets were depicted as being rare and valuable, then all these territorial squabbles would make a lot more sense.)

Another big open question: did the GQ end of the wormhole terminate inside claimed Dominion space? If it's inside, end of discussion. The Feds cannot use the wormhole and the Dominion has every right to force them to stop. The series never once clarified this crucial point.

On the other hand, the Feds have often, perhaps inadvertently, been depicted as idiots who go barging around in other people's claimed territory and therefore cause the fights that they keep getting into. So the way DS9 showed things isn't all that inexplicable. And the final peace-treaty scene did sorta acknolwedge the Feds' partial responsibility for the war (which is the first time the series even broached the subject, better late than never I suppose).

but the fact that it took two years before Dominion first contact shows that Idran is quite some distance away from Dominion space.
All that proves is that the Dominion claimed a large amount of territory. The size required them to patrol sporadically which meant by the time they came across interlopers, a violent response would be required to expel them from their foothold.

Not really nice, I'll admit. It would be nicer if they claimed less territory and gave more frequent and more kindley warnings to interlopers. But space is a big, nasty place and it's not difficult to predict that territorial disputes will be resolved violently in many cases. The burden is on the colonists to put more effort into ensuring that they're not settling someplace that will get them killed. Neighboring worlds certainly would be aware of the size of claimed Dominion space. The Bajorans just didn't check the place out thoroughly.

In any case, the Feds could have taken the hint: the Dominion does not play nice. Isn't it better to stay away from the folks that don't play nice? Is the AQ all out of explorable space? Starfleet acted like they were looking for trouble - possibly putting on a big show of force to impress the Bajorans, who clearly could not defend themselves. Demonstrations like that is how the Federation expands - by violent confrontation in defense of members and would-be members. Not too different from the way the Dominion protects its territory by violence.

A quadrant of the galaxy is a big place, and the GQ doesn't belong to the dominion, not in entirety even if much of it does.
Why can't a single power claim an entire quadrant? A single power can claim a whole galaxy if they have the muscle to back up that claim. Is there some rule book for the Milky Way Galaxy I'm not aware of?

And there was no indication that the Dominion claimed the whole GQ - just the space around the terminus of the wormhole.
However, that said, the people who are saying that the Federation provoked the Dominion by going through the wormhole probably need to watch the show again, because as other people have rightly pointed out you've probably missed the bits where New Bajor is wiped out for no reason other than it's there,
The colony being there was the provocation. All the other violent acts were precipitated by that provocation. The Feds should have been smart and said, "shit these guys will go berzerk just because of a colony, we better declare the wormhole off limits before this gets any worse." Imagine how many millions of lives they could have saved. What exactly is on the other side of the wormhole that is worth that?

And note the Romulans were the smart ones, early on. When they realized the dumbshit Feds would continue to provoke the Dominion, they did they only thing they could do to defend themselves: blow up the wormhole. Only after that failed did they move to Plan B with the Cardies, and that ended up making things even worse.

The Feds, Rommies and Cardies all played a role their mutual fuck-up in handling the Dominion situation. To the Doms, all three were the same - just AQ clowns who needed to be smacked down. Even if the Feds thought they had a god-given right to the whole galaxy, they should have been savvy enough to understand they were endangering other AQ powers, who might be therefore motivated to try dangerous and possibly counter-productive things out of frustration and desperation.

On the other hand, Dax's previous host was a former ambassador, and it would know laws about free space and exploration...I think...

What laws? :rommie: Fed laws, right? Why should the Dominion give a flying flip about someone else's laws when clearly they have their own, namely "stay the fuck out of our space"? The only law that prevails in outer space is the Law of the Jungle - whoever has the muscle to get their way is the one that wins and then parades their "laws" around like they should apply to everyone.

In the end, you had two violent empires clashing, regardless of what Fed propaganda would have you believe. They both had their ideology to rationalize their territorial conflict, and they both had good reasons to fight (largely for domestic purposes - both sides would prove to their subject worlds that they were big and bad enough to provide security, so they better stay obedient). In the end, they called it a draw. Pretty realistic and sophisticated depiction of warfare, I'd say.
 
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One thing that shows off arrogance for me is the episode "The Ship".

So Sisko and the gang are in the Gamma Quadrant. A Jem'Hadar ship crashes and they run for it like a group of ferengis to claim it. That is fine since there is no one there. But the Dominion show up to claim the ship and all Sisko can say to justify his action is Finders Keepers. WTF?

It's one thing to stay in the ship because your afraid the Dominion will capture or kill you. It's an another thing to act like a thief and say it's yours when the rightful owners are right there.
 
I think the most scathing evidence is in The Jem'Hadar. Third Talak'talan stated to all available that simply any ship (but the Ferengi) going through the anomaly was reason enough to board and seize the crew and perhaps destroy the ship. What other Trek villainous race does that?

As has been plainly stated, the WH was in neutral space and quite a distance from Dominion territory. I can't imagine the Klingons, Cardassians, Tholians or even the Romulans seizing ships light years from their borders-in neutral space.

These people were gunning for conquering the AQ by hook or by crook.
My future DS9 has the Founders rebelling against Odo and few other do-gooders and launching a huge attack through the WH and making it all the way to Earth.

Adm Picard orders 31 to go back into time (using a Borg time-shifter) to kill the WH or kill the Dominion.
Adm Picard bravely piolts the E-E (sans crew) into a Jem Hadar super ship destroying it, as the E-E's new capt-Worf beams to the new uber, super, duper ship built by 31 and w/all the goodies brought back from Voyager. Plus it has a slightly enhanced cloak "borrowed" from the Remans

Worf gets Chief, Ezri, Bashir, Jake and 7 or 9 to go back to the time before Sisko and Quark are captured in the DQ.
7 of 9 shows Worf a new like-DNA re sequencer that will allow the futures to reunite w/the past's and retain the memories of the future.

Capt Worf picks up Sisko and is reunited w/Jake convinces SF that this venture is worth doing. Worf reunites w/his oldself and Picard-and shows him the "tape" of Adm Picard's orders

Worf interdicts the new starship into the Jem attack on New Bajor and destroys 3 fighters, 1 Cruiser and a large personnel
carrier
Boom go the Dominion
 
I think the most scathing evidence is in The Jem'Hadar. Third Talak'talan stated to all available that simply any ship (but the Ferengi) going through the anomaly was reason enough to board and seize the crew and perhaps destroy the ship. What other Trek villainous race does that?

As has been plainly stated, the WH was in neutral space and quite a distance from Dominion territory. I can't imagine the Klingons, Cardassians, Tholians or even the Romulans seizing ships light years from their borders-in neutral space.

Your off on a tangent aren't you. THAT caused the start of the hostilties but not the war. DS9 got armed with torpedoes,the defiant and several starfleet ships nearby. No war was declared.

Sisko mines the wormhole. War is declared. Boom baby. Major difference.

Intention doesn't equal a decleration of war.


These people were gunning for conquering the AQ by hook or by crook.
My future DS9 has the Founders rebelling against Odo and few other do-gooders and launching a huge attack through the WH and making it all the way to Earth.

Adm Picard orders 31 to go back into time (using a Borg time-shifter) to kill the WH or kill the Dominion.
Adm Picard bravely piolts the E-E (sans crew) into a Jem Hadar super ship destroying it, as the E-E's new capt-Worf beams to the new uber, super, duper ship built by 31 and w/all the goodies brought back from Voyager. Plus it has a slightly enhanced cloak "borrowed" from the Remans

Worf gets Chief, Ezri, Bashir, Jake and 7 or 9 to go back to the time before Sisko and Quark are captured in the DQ.
7 of 9 shows Worf a new like-DNA re sequencer that will allow the futures to reunite w/the past's and retain the memories of the future.

Capt Worf picks up Sisko and is reunited w/Jake convinces SF that this venture is worth doing. Worf reunites w/his oldself and Picard-and shows him the "tape" of Adm Picard's orders

Worf interdicts the new starship into the Jem attack on New Bajor and destroys 3 fighters, 1 Cruiser and a large personnel
carrier
Boom go the Dominion

Wha? :confused: Except for the Founders ignoring Odo (who was responsible for the deaths of several founders not including Laas) most of is fanboyish. Just like a lot of Trek books coming out now. You should release a Relaunch book.
 
Doesn't matter if the Feds mined the wormhole or not, it was clear that war was inevitable and they'd have been idiots NOT to take logical actions like that to defend themselves. The Dominion pretty much made it clear in damn near EVERY encounter that there would be war.
 
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