If they do, they've spent the last several years breaking it.
The Destruction of Romulus!?
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If they do, they've spent the last several years breaking it.
For first time writers?
The "Smokey the Bear" principle--i.e. "leave the campground the way you found it"--tends to apply more to books based on TV shows that are still in production. In general, you tend to have more freedom once the actual shows are no longer going concerns, simply because you no longer have to worry about stepping on the shows' toes.
Case in point, when I wrote my first 4400 novel (while the show was still in production), I had to be careful to make it a standalone "freak of the week" story that didn't affect any of the show's ongoing storylines. But when I wrote the second one, after the show was cancelled, I had much a much freer hand to kill off characters and such.
Case in point, when I wrote my first 4400 novel (while the show was still in production), I had to be careful to make it a standalone "freak of the week" story that didn't affect any of the show's ongoing storylines. But when I wrote the second one, after the show was cancelled, I had much a much freer hand to kill off characters and such.
It wasn't a mistake, it was explained in the very first episode of Enterprise.
It's not important if you don't believe it or think it really happened. I think it was a giant mistake so go ahead and create your own universe and pretend like it never happened and was just a gimmick used to reel people into the drama.
Personally I'd like to see a Search for Decker series that would include V'Ger. Maybe Gary Mitchell didn't die in the rock avilanche and you could include the Talosians and the Vulcans battling it out and the Enterprise stuck in Gary Mitchell's mind with Ambassador Pike being an illusionary peace maker.
Personally I'd like to see a Search for Decker series that would include V'Ger. Maybe Gary Mitchell didn't die in the rock avilanche and you could include the Talosians and the Vulcans battling it out and the Enterprise stuck in Gary Mitchell's mind with Ambassador Pike being an illusionary peace maker.
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Used DVDs are very cheap. You can probably get ST09 and ST:ID for five bucks apiece. I would suggest being open-minded and giving them a shot. Who knows? You might enjoy them.
Kor
I can't believe this trolling thread has gone 5 pages without getting locked...
Why does it need to be locked? Everyone has been pretty civil.
September 2525.
As soon as they hook up the shredder to the confetti cannon?
A writer could shove this particular plot element out of the way easily enough. Spock was about to prevent a hypernova from wreaking havoc by using red matter. Red matter creates time travel maelstroms. Stopping a hypernova is quite a feat, and would probably be easier in the early stages of the phenomenon. Spock arrived too late. He still delivered the red matter.
Ergo, Spock used red matter deliberately to create a timehole to put right what once went wrong. Perhaps he succeeded - but the ignorant miner Nero did not realize this and pushed on with his vendetta? With Nero eliminated, Old Spock is the only element surviving of a timeline where Romulus blew, and all other parts of that reality have been erased and Romulus continues its dirty dancing with Remus.
Timo Saloniemi
A writer could shove this particular plot element out of the way easily enough. Spock was about to prevent a hypernova from wreaking havoc by using red matter. Red matter creates time travel maelstroms. Stopping a hypernova is quite a feat, and would probably be easier in the early stages of the phenomenon. Spock arrived too late. He still delivered the red matter.
Ergo, Spock used red matter deliberately to create a timehole to put right what once went wrong. Perhaps he succeeded - but the ignorant miner Nero did not realize this and pushed on with his vendetta? With Nero eliminated, Old Spock is the only element surviving of a timeline where Romulus blew, and all other parts of that reality have been erased and Romulus continues its dirty dancing with Remus.
Timo Saloniemi
If Mankind is still alive.
Exordium and Terminus
Good point.
Romulus was destroyed in the Prime universe. Vulcan was destroyed in the nuUniverse.
And destroying Vulcan arguably creates as many story possibilities as it closes while making it crystal clear that this is a whole new STAR TREK where anything can happen.
What could be less limiting than that?
In the very next movie they ran into Khan. So much for anything can happen
I think destroying Vulcan and limiting the usage of the Vulcan race by doing so was misguided. I also don't think JJ Abrams should have been allowed to destroy Romulus in case the franchise ever returns to the original timeline. It's fine to put your own stamp on something but if you're gonna do it the commit to it. Don't go running to Khan for the sequel. JJ, of course, can do whatever he wants in his timeline since it's his baby but I disagree with Vulcan's demise.
In the very next movie they ran into Khan. So much for anything can happen
How does that change that anything can happen? They used a character that was popular with the fan base in a new story. No different than the various iterations of Batman using the Joker, or Superman using Lex Luthor.
Rebooting doesn't mean you throw popular elements away. Even with the destruction of their homeworlds, the Vulcan and Romulan people still exist in the various universes. The destruction gives the ability to tell stories featuring those races with a different spin.
Yeah, they used Khan. Except he alternated between victim and very useful ally for a large of the movie, didn't try to hijack the Enterprise or hunt down Kirrrrk, and ended up Spock's foil and enemy. The consequences of his actions also quiet possibly punched a big hole in S31.
Oh, and he didn't die.
Oh, and he didn't die.
I thought lt was a bad idea to destroy Romulus/Remus in the Prime universe and worse to destroy Vulcan, even if it is not merely to put his stamp on these movies.
I didnt mind that they did it. With the colossal planetary scale WMD that should be possible by that time, it might be asking too much to say that heroes always and forever save every planet. I would expect intersteller war between species of this technological scale to involve civilizations with weapons that have a staggering scale of destructive power.
But while I can understand doing it, I think the way they did it was a bit bizarre. The supernova that threatens the entire Galaxy, possibly moves at warp, but is "sucked back" after propagating for light years in all directions by red matter? From lights away it's sucked all the way back? Hmmmm.
They could have at least conserved the wanking and say a trilithium warhead destroyed the Romulan star and some evidence was planted to make it appear that Section 31 had done it and thus a reason to blame the Federation.
That's my version of the movie anyway, for what it's worth. Lol.
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