The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion
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^ He actually said pads, not pants.
I'll hand in my geek card at the door.
On the other hand, it does show how horrible that voice is. I'm all for him putting on a voice so's not to be recognised, but at least make it understandable.^ He actually said pads, not pants.
I'll hand in my geek card at the door.
I didn't, in general, there was just a couple of parts where I took a second to realise what he said, or where it just grated on me.
I missed the pants/pads thing in dialogue, but i figured it out from context. I didn't find Batman hard to understand, just a bit grating - the voice has much more screentime in this film than Begins.
The only dialogue I really completely missed was Gordon' final speech. The music was so frigging loud I barely caught a word. Anyone got approximately what he said?
The only dialogue I really completely missed was Gordon' final speech. The music was so frigging loud I barely caught a word. Anyone got approximately what he said?
Something along the lines of "He has to run, because we have to chase him. He's the hero Gotham deserves, just not the one it needs right now. So we'll chase him, and he'll fight, because he can do those things, he's not it's shining hero, he's it's Dark Knight."
^That's because that's not the actual lines spoken. Similar, but not exact.
"He has to run because we have to chase him. He's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now ... and so we'll hunt him ... because he can take it ... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a Dark Knight."
I understand doing a different voice for Batman than for Bruce, but why make it so hyper growly? Wouldn't it of been easier, beter, and more tolerable to just LOWER his voice?
As far as an in-universe explination, I think it has something to do with the suit because even after he was gassed by Scarecrow in BB, he was still really growly when he called for help, and I don't think I've heard him not be growly when he is suitted up with his mask.
I have a question: presumably Joker's original plan was to kill Dent (like he killed Surillo and Loeb). When did he switch from that to seducing him to the dark side, so to speak? I mean, that was his original plan in response to Dent allowing himself to be locked away - to kill Dent, and possibly Batman, until he realized they were different.
I got a sense from the interrogation scene that he was trying to do the same to Batman, so in a sense he was in a can't-lose situation: either Dent dies, as planned (hehe), or Rachel dies, which possibly drives both Batman and Dent over the edge. Maybe he literally made it up on the fly when he walked into Dent's room at the hospital? In a sense, that was also a can't-lose situation: either Dent does not shoot him, in which case the Joker goes free and Dent is forced to agonize over the fact that he didn't avenge Rachel's death; or if Dent does kill Joker, he is automatically brought down to his level. Instead, his seduction actually works, and had Two-Face's crimes been revealed, the Joker would have won the war.
Sorry for rambling. To repeat: when did Joker plan to turn Harvey Dent askew? Any insights would be welcome. Thanks!
I got a sense from the interrogation scene that he was trying to do the same to Batman, so in a sense he was in a can't-lose situation: either Dent dies, as planned (hehe), or Rachel dies, which possibly drives both Batman and Dent over the edge. Maybe he literally made it up on the fly when he walked into Dent's room at the hospital? In a sense, that was also a can't-lose situation: either Dent does not shoot him, in which case the Joker goes free and Dent is forced to agonize over the fact that he didn't avenge Rachel's death; or if Dent does kill Joker, he is automatically brought down to his level. Instead, his seduction actually works, and had Two-Face's crimes been revealed, the Joker would have won the war.
Sorry for rambling. To repeat: when did Joker plan to turn Harvey Dent askew? Any insights would be welcome. Thanks!
^I think it was an act of opportunity- "Oh look, Harvey is alive, mutilated, and has lost the love of his life. Let's see how this works out..."
I think part of the point of The Joker is that he has an overall plan of complete chaos, but he's perfectly willing to go with the flow and improvise.
According to info from the production team, its a natural voice done by Bale, born of hating the suit with a passion. Tweaked, I reckon, in a few areas for a bit of an 'echo' effect, but the base voice is Bale's.
I love that when an actor uses their own irritation with some aspect of production to inform the character. Supposedly, a lot of the irritation in Garak's voice came from Andrew Robinson's intense discomfort in the Cardassian make-up.