The Dark Knight - Grading & Discussion

^ He actually said pads, not pants.

 

I'll hand in my geek card at the door.

 

On the other hand, it does show how horrible that voice is. I'm all for him putting on a voice so's not to be recognised, but at least make it understandable.

 

^ I didn't have problem with any of Batman's dialog (in either of the movies) and English isn't even my native language.

 

I didn't, in general, there was just a couple of parts where I took a second to realise what he said, or where it just grated on me.

 

Something along the lines of "He has to run, because we have to chase him. He's the hero Gotham deserves, just not the one it needs right now. So we'll chase him, and he'll fight, because he can do those things, he's not it's shining hero, he's it's Dark Knight."

 

^That's because that's not the actual lines spoken. Similar, but not exact.

 

"He has to run because we have to chase him. He's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now ... and so we'll hunt him ... because he can take it ... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a Dark Knight."

 

I understand doing a different voice for Batman than for Bruce, but why make it so hyper growly? Wouldn't it of been easier, beter, and more tolerable to just LOWER his voice?

 

As far as an in-universe explination, I think it has something to do with the suit because even after he was gassed by Scarecrow in BB, he was still really growly when he called for help, and I don't think I've heard him not be growly when he is suitted up with his mask.

 

I watched it again at a different theater. And again the music at the end practically drowned out Gordon's dialog. I hope they fix that for the DVD.

Also, did it sound like they did some post-production work to the Batman voice in a couple scenes?

 

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A couple of scenes? Batman's voice was processed, as far as I can tell, in every scene of the movie. And, watching Batman Begins one night and The Dark Knight the next, it seemed more extreme in the latter to me.

 

I have a question: presumably Joker's original plan was to kill Dent (like he killed Surillo and Loeb). When did he switch from that to seducing him to the dark side, so to speak? I mean, that was his original plan in response to Dent allowing himself to be locked away - to kill Dent, and possibly Batman, until he realized they were different.

I got a sense from the interrogation scene that he was trying to do the same to Batman, so in a sense he was in a can't-lose situation: either Dent dies, as planned (hehe), or Rachel dies, which possibly drives both Batman and Dent over the edge. Maybe he literally made it up on the fly when he walked into Dent's room at the hospital? In a sense, that was also a can't-lose situation: either Dent does not shoot him, in which case the Joker goes free and Dent is forced to agonize over the fact that he didn't avenge Rachel's death; or if Dent does kill Joker, he is automatically brought down to his level. Instead, his seduction actually works, and had Two-Face's crimes been revealed, the Joker would have won the war.

Sorry for rambling. To repeat: when did Joker plan to turn Harvey Dent askew? Any insights would be welcome. Thanks!

 

^I think it was an act of opportunity- "Oh look, Harvey is alive, mutilated, and has lost the love of his life. Let's see how this works out..."

 

The novel suggests that The Joker had always intended to break Harvey down. He went after Dent because, compared to Batman and Gordon, he was the weakest of the three.

 

I think part of the point of The Joker is that he has an overall plan of complete chaos, but he's perfectly willing to go with the flow and improvise.

 

I love that when an actor uses their own irritation with some aspect of production to inform the character. Supposedly, a lot of the irritation in Garak's voice came from Andrew Robinson's intense discomfort in the Cardassian make-up.