Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[Michael Two Wolves]

Fuck Disney. Fuck Kathleen Kennedy. Fuck their shitty EU using lazy ass writers who think that every franchise should have a major character die-athon as a solution to sagging ratings instead of cutting the shit and writing some quality material.

Lucas was a visionary because he permitted others to expand upon his legacy in ingenious ways and depth (such as Denon’s city planet as a competitor to Coruscant and other small significant ways or all the little technical details about engine makes and models, for instance). Yes, there should have been better quality control in place but to stop wildly successful runs of books like the Haynes Manuals is a bogus choice when it adds depth and detail, only to replace it with saccharine bullshit just as I predicted would happen.

Or are you really going to tell me Kylo Ren is somehow an equal replacement of Thrawn? Lmao Not in this reality.

Star Wars presents numerous systems in place beside the Republic, which is a far more likely outcome of human expansion in space as far as what governments will be, minus the magical elements of the Jedi.

That is where the loss of the EU stings. That is why it is worth fighting over. Star Trek has no analogues as far as I know. I like hearing about illegal Carbanti Stutter-Matrices and souped-up Girodyne SRB42 sublight engines that use a Quadex power core. That adds depth when referred back to periodically.

Also, you miss the reason why Disney is hated by a large majority. Disney has a strange way of turning out broken actresses while their own employees have a serious habit of getting arrested for heinous crimes. Disney is toxic and if you think for one moment the criminals who haven’t been caught aren’t scheming up ways to affect a subversive agenda towards children using psychovisual and neurolinguistic techniques, you need to look closer. Evil does not sleep, not ever.

 

[Sketcher]

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[fireproof78]

Disney is toxic and if you think for one moment the criminals who haven’t been caught aren’t scheming up ways to affect a subversive agenda towards children using psychovisual and neurolinguistic techniques, you need to look closer. Evil does not sleep, not ever.

Also...

And finally...

 

[Ithekro]

Well....Kylo Ren didn't replace Thrawn. Thrawn is right there, right now, replacing himself. Expect to see him more and more. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, replaced Jacen Solo.

 

[fireproof78]

Well....Kylo Ren didn't replace Thrawn. Thrawn is right there, right now, replacing himself. Expect to see him more and more. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, replaced Jacen Solo.

I think the absurdist thinking is that somehow the current output replaces the Legends EU.

When I can go down to my library, or grab my kindle, or whatever and read it whenever the fuck I like. Seriously? Lost? Lost implies that I cannot get it any more. That I cannot read it, or enjoy it. Yet that is distinctly not the case. Not at all.

And if this is about canon then what does canon mean in terms of enjoyment? I found the EU so laughably annoying I quit buying SW books altogether. I was annoyed so much that I didn't buy any of the DK stuff or anything until TFA came out.

Yet, if for some reason I wanted to go read it I could. That's not lost. That's...I don't even know what. Fans are weird.

 

[Ithekro]

It isn't canon verse EU, it is one timeline and another. From my point of view. Replacement being in the same place in the timeline relative to each other. Like the Prime and Kelvin timelines in Star Trek. Both exist and have different events and sometimes different people in places.

 

[FreezeC77]

I think it depends on what kind of book deals the authors signed, but I believe Disney owns all 'legends' (used to be called Star Wars Expanded Universe) content. So depending on the authors deals that may mean Disney can use any ideas/characters/whatever and then just assign it to someone else in the current Star Wars canon universe, or introduce a character from the EU and change a lot of their backstory if they wanted to, etc...

Then again 'canon' is always just whatever the person/people in charge want it to be. I think the Jedi: Fallen Order games have been called 'canon', but Filoni could probably blow-up anything they do or ignore it if he wants to with his power.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It isn't canon verse EU, it is one timeline and another. From my point of view. Replacement being in the same place in the timeline relative to each other. Like the Prime and Kelvin timelines in Star Trek. Both exist and have different events and sometimes different people in places.

Star Trek has its own lit-verse. That's really the most analogous thing in ST to SW EU Legends.

As for ST, Prime vs Kelvin timelines: toss in the Mirror Universe, TNG "Parallels," every time travel episode, every other universe episode, and more, and it's all one, single, astronomical, wibbly-wobbly multiverse that the events of ST take place in. From that point of view, Star Trek canon and Star Wars canon are really very much alike.

It would seem that the closest we've gotten to a bona fide alternate timeline in Star Wars, is in REB "Family Reunion – and Farewell", the finale of Rebels, when Ezra was tempted to bring his parents back to life.

The runner up would be REB "A World Between Worlds": it would seem that alternate timelines never come to be, but their potential is real. It would seem Ezra could have chosen not to pull Ahsoka through, just as he could have chosen to try to save Kanan, possibly causing a temporal paradox because saving Kanan would have meant that Kanan could not save the rest of Spectre cell.

 

[fireproof78]

It isn't canon verse EU, it is one timeline and another. From my point of view. Replacement being in the same place in the timeline relative to each other. Like the Prime and Kelvin timelines in Star Trek. Both exist and have different events and sometimes different people in places.

Why not?

And does that diminish enjoyment?

 

[Ithekro]

I am not understanding the question. The earlier statement seemed to indicate you found the idea of replacement absurdist, while I was clarifying that I wasn't thinking of the Canon replacing the Legends EU, but instead thinking of them as separate timelines that can be enjoyed in parallel.

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

You could gp look at Legends, but gone are the background detail and depth from the new stuff because they want to package it for marketing, not actual literary depth and deeper meaning. They have turned it into a cotton candy version.

Also, it was never a contest of fandom in terms of who knew more facts, it was a question simply of how deep did you want to go. The ability to zoom down, for instance, on the background characters in Chalmun's Cantina in Tales From Mos Eisley Cantina is what gave it its charm.

Also, it's the idea that Star Wars is being run by a bunch of assholes who knew of all this employee misconduct (and you'd better believe they do--their security apparatus, including intelligence, rivals that of credit bureaus, so they know exactly what every single employee is doing by monitoring them constantly and running their social media through AI to detect any deviance from Newspeak)--these assholes knew, and looked the other way because it was profitable to do so.

So you wind up with what we have here. Britney Spears. Miley Cyrus. Lindsay Lohan. Maitland Ward. Christina Aguilera. And 30-something convicted employees and counting.

 

[FreezeC77]

I am not understanding the question. The earlier statement seemed to indicate you found the idea of replacement absurdist, while I was clarifying that I wasn't thinking of the Canon replacing the Legends EU, but instead thinking of them as separate timelines that can be enjoyed in parallel.

Yea. I think people get too hung up on canon and 'replacement'. Your enjoyment of stories happened regardless of what (possibly someone else in charge of creatively) decides to proceed with the franchise.

I liked and still like the Star Wars novel Vendetta by Peter David... Now at the time everyone pretty much knew the Star trek novels were not 'canon' and that novel specifically actually had a disclaimer pointing it out because Peter David used a "GASP" *FEMALE BORG* and was told "Borg can't be female" and he refused to alter his story so the publisher added another disclaimer to it.

In the Star Wars current Disney "canon" universe none of the Rogue Squadron or Wraith Squadron x-wing stories may have taken place (most were set a few years before the current Mando/Ahsoka year, but a few took place after)

It doesn't somehow erase my memories or taint my enjoyment of them. If at some point the Disney+ Star Wars verse introduces any of the characters and they're not exactly the same as the novels it doesn't change that they existed and that I had already read and enjoyed the stories from the novels.

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

The entire idea was a universe that would grow and evolve with more stories. Not throw everything away everytime some suit gets a bug up his ass because his shit writing staff's ideas are failing to catch public interest. Again, stop with the killathon of major characters so you can write in new ones. No one gives af about the fevered dreams of ass-kissing writers who think their every excremental idea is somehow worthy of prime time.

That shit is getting old really fast, and Disney's latest string of domestic movie failures is proof of it. You know what I want? I want a story about a guy working a bar in the depths of the city planet Denon, and all his interactions with the different characters who are regulars. No Jedi bullshit. No galaxy spanning bullshit. I want to see this character tinker on a starfighter, build his bar up, and all the assholes and gangsters he had to go through to get it, including the Black Sun vigos.

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That would be a hell of a lot more intriguing to me than some bullshit story about yet another bounty hunter with aspirations of glory.

 

[Set Harth]

In the Star Wars current Disney "canon" universe none of the Rogue Squadron or Wraith Squadron x-wing stories may have taken place (most were set a few years before the current Mando/Ahsoka year, but a few took place after)

It doesn't somehow erase my memories or taint my enjoyment of them. If at some point the Disney+ Star Wars verse introduces any of the characters and they're not exactly the same as the novels it doesn't change that they existed and that I had already read and enjoyed the stories from the novels.

Corran Horn was in Obi-Wan Kenobi, and his father's name was inscribed in the Jedi underground railroad.

 

[fireproof78]

Also, it was never a contest of fandom in terms of who knew more facts, it was a question simply of how deep did you want to go. T

With respect, you did not experience fans as I did who would use trivia as a weapon.

You could gp look at Legends, but gone are the background detail and depth from the new stuff because they want to package it for marketing, not actual literary depth and deeper meaning. They have turned it into a cotton candy version.

No.

Nothing is gone.

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

With respect, you did not experience fans as I did who would use trivia as a weapon.


No.

Nothing is gone.

Then you were hanging out with the wrong assholes because my group did nothing but brainstorm new shit all day long that could fit between the cracks of cannon to enrich it deeper.

Disney already said they're not continuing the Legends line. So, fuck 'em. Ends at Rogue I for me. The rest is just a farce. Until I see an Eclipse-class Star Destroyer coming out of the Byss system, I'm not interested. Where's the Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium? How about instead of producing kid bullshit or thinking of ways to kill off Luke or Ewoks while we're at it, we produce something for the adults to enjoy and give it a more serious adaptation?

Again, I would rather see something about a small time character built up, then just keep hearing the same names echoing around constantly because ooooooh, yet more Jedi fuckery afoot in the galaxy! How about the guys working on the Corellian Engineering lines? Let's see them showcased for a change.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

How about [...] we produce something for the adults to enjoy and give it a more serious adaptation?

I'm pretty sure that that's The Mandalorian and Andor.

 

[fireproof78]

Then you were hanging out with the wrong assholes because my group did nothing but brainstorm new shit all day long that could fit between the cracks of cannon to enrich it deeper.

Fans are not proving anything here.

It's the same tired argument, just against Disney instead of Lucas.

So, no. Fans just make it worse. I was going to try reading some Legenda EU but no. Not if this is how people act about it.

 

[Michael Two Wolves]

Lucas should have sold it to HBO. Then instead of pink fucking armor, we'd actually have some authentic battle scenes in all their glory as the GAR pounded the pavement on Cato Neimoidia. We'd have authentic bars full of greasy, beady-eyed thugs and mercenaries and their twi'lek consorts.

The Mandalorian? Oh, that's about...fucking bounty hunters. Again. Everyone thinks they're the second coming of Boba Fett. Yawn.

Andor? Oh, there's that galaxy-spanning bullshit because it's supposed to tie the original films together, yadda yadda. Don't care. Leave 'em alone and find a new subject. In fact, anything that occured between the Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi should be off-limits for further development. Period. Start small, build from there. No Jedi. No bounty hunters. In fact, no Hutts, either. Tatooine is off limits. Find somewhere else because it's supposed to be the ass-end of the galaxy, not the most happening spot since the Rakata took over.

Also, fire anyone who seriously ever again suggests making armor pink.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, this certainly makes no sense.

Which is about like my other Star Wars fan club experiences.