The bridge shots (large images)

[cultcross]

Re: The bridge shots

They will work, or they wouldn't be considered classic.

Being considered "classic" by some people doesn't equate to "appealing to enough people to work in a big-budget modern film."

Precisely. Star Trek has gained an iconic status in Western culture, pretty much anyone can identify Kirk and Spock, and recognise the E or the phaser prop, even if not by name.
But 'culturally iconic' is not the same thing as 'financially successful now.' Plenty of 'iconic' franchises have been ruined by pitching their 'updated' versions to the wrong audience or not providing enough to draw in new fans. Thunderbirds springs immediately to mind.

 

[Jimmy_C]

Re: The bridge shots

I have a theory about the red yeoman behind Kirk. Perhaps

Spoiler: bridge

She is gauging their reactions. This could be the real bridge, and this is a test at the Academy. This could be a simulator like in TWOK, and she is taking notes on how Kirk solves the No-win-scenario.

 

[Flake]

Re: The bridge shots

Someone post the bridge at the end of TVH, because that is the brightest the TOS bridge has been.

 

[bullethead]

Re: The bridge shots

I have a theory about the red yeoman behind Kirk. Perhaps

Spoiler: bridge

She is gauging their reactions. This could be the real bridge, and this is a test at the Academy. This could be a simulator like in TWOK, and she is taking notes on how Kirk solves the No-win-scenario.

They've already said that this is the Enterprise's bridge, not a simulator.

 

[BillJ]

This is not a command simulation...

Hell... in both bridge photos Kirk looks like he's had the snot beat out of him. And they look to be a result of whatever happens on the ice planet.

 

[cultcross]

This is not a command simulation...

Hell... in both bridge photos Kirk looks like he's had the snot beat out of him. And they look to be a result of whatever happens on the ice planet.

Indeed, I'm tempted to speculate that the two bridge photos are very close together in the movie temporally. Perhaps not following the ice planet bit though, as that features a 1701 escape pod, and those bridge shots sure don't look like the ships got beaten up a lot.

 

[NiteTrek]

Re: The bridge shots

I have a theory about the red yeoman behind Kirk. Perhaps

Spoiler: bridge

She is gauging their reactions. This could be the real bridge, and this is a test at the Academy. This could be a simulator like in TWOK, and she is taking notes on how Kirk solves the No-win-scenario.

That makes no sense even if it was a simulator. You wouldn't need someone standing there taking notes, it would interfere with the whole process.

She's a waitress, put there to take lunch orders, or snacks or coffee, things like that.

 

[cultcross]

Re: The bridge shots

I have a theory about the red yeoman behind Kirk. Perhaps

Spoiler: bridge

She is gauging their reactions. This could be the real bridge, and this is a test at the Academy. This could be a simulator like in TWOK, and she is taking notes on how Kirk solves the No-win-scenario.

That makes no sense even if it was a simulator. You wouldn't need someone standing there taking notes, it would interfere with the whole process.

Agreed, it certainly seems that this is the real E bridge, no fake out. Besides, if it were a simulator, TWOK scenario, they don't have... windows? cameras? some way of watching what's going on without sticking a desk in the middle of the simulation? Don't buy that explanation. Daresay the desk has a real life function, Captain's assistant type thing. A yeoman to take log entries and deal with reports to & from the captain. A sort of In/Out tray in gogo boots if you will.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: The bridge shots

Roberto Orci has had something to say about the Bridge, over on donmurphy.net

Orci was asked the following:

were you ever worried that the designs for your Star Trek reboot would be a bit overdone?

For example the pic of the "new" TOS Bridge shows no resemlance to the "classic" Bridge. I was expecting a TOS styled bridge with some modern tweaking not an overhaul. I was hoping to see the TOS basics in architecture.

The only pic of the bridge I saw had Kirk (Pine) in his all black cadet uniform sitting in the new/ old Captain's chair.

And Orci's answer:

Of course I'm worried -- nothing "were" about it.

Basic architecture is in fact intact, you just can't tell from that angle. And wait till you see the red orange rails and other decorative accents.

Not a cadet uniform. Not a captain's uniform.

As for the modern thing -- we knew we were between a rock and hard place in terms of the fact that even if we just used the control room of a modern naval vessel, it probably would've looked more advanced than the 60's bridge.

The last is pretty definitely true.

 

[Baldus885]

I love how people keep dragging up "canon" with regard to the layout of the bridge - which changed with nearly every movie, with each one bearing no resemblance to the original series' bridge other than the fact they all had chairs in them. You'd think Star Trek's appeal wasn't it's sense of optimism or adventure after all, but the layout of the bloody bridge.

The whole concept of "canon" is pretty meaningless anyway, but to try and apply it to something that changed as much as the bridge has is laughable.

 

[ancient]

The bridge is starting to grow on me. Of course Spock had to stick his big head in the way...

 

[Star Treks]

I must be the only one who likes the bright, white look of the bridge.

Ahem, not to dispute you, but me in an earlier post:

"Just want to throw in my thoughts: I love the bridge design. I am into this sort of glassy, neo-futurist look, I think it's awesome. I am more excited now than ever about the movie"

 

[scotthm]

Re: The bridge shots

What they've done here is give us a lot of happy talk about how they were "respecting canon", while they were taking the original design ethic and chucking it out the window.

We've already seen what the Enterprise bridge looked like during the original series. We've seen what it looked like when Pike was in command.

What we've seen from JJ ain't even in the same hemisphere.

You're looking at this whole thing the wrong way. The problem was that during the production of TOS they were working with very limited budgets and had to design and build within those constraints. The designs that were finalized weren't necessarily the ideal, but they were what could be built within the circumstances.

Why should contemporary producers be forever constrained by the limitations of 40+ years ago, especially when creating something of the future rather than of the past?

I think staying true to the fundamentals (round bridge, consoles around the perimeter, etc.) is about the best you can hope for, and what I've seen looks pretty good, with some minor exceptions.

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[Sector 7]

I love how people keep dragging up "canon" with regard to the layout of the bridge - which changed with nearly every movie, with each one bearing no resemblance to the original series' bridge other than the fact they all had chairs in them. You'd think Star Trek's appeal wasn't it's sense of optimism or adventure after all, but the layout of the bloody bridge.

The whole concept of "canon" is pretty meaningless anyway, but to try and apply it to something that changed as much as the bridge has is laughable.

I think you read my mind... did we meld in another life?

The bridge is starting to grow on me. Of course Spock had to stick his big head in the way...

After reading Orci's statement and yours... I think if Spock wasn't where he is in the picture we might have a better overall perspective.

Optimistically yours,

 

[Scout101]

One thing that personally bothers me about the look of Star Trek bridges in general is how un-futuristic they look. I mean, if you have ever seen those pictures of the Command and Control rooms aboard modern Nimitz Class aircraft carriers and Aegis equipped destroyers (not to forget the Virgina class submarine) they do not look worthy of the supposed 24th Century space fairing equivalents. Things like LCD screens, main view ports and simple touch screen interfaces are all possible today.

2 things on that:

first off, they are kinda stuck with a basic design that was supposed to look futuristic in the 1960s. You can dress it up a bit, but the basic design and concept was from many many years ago.

secondly, i'm not sure you really know what you're talking about with modern Navy bridges (or CnCs, even). I work for the Navy, and spend a lot of time working on subs (and occasionally destroyers). They look old as fuck, with materials and colors, as well as equipment, that would have been modern or advanced when TOS was on the air. Sure they're upgrading, trying to get newer stuff in there, but in general, it's kinda shocking how old and crappy these bridges on Navy ships and subs really look. For example, a simple thing like NETWORKING is just getting into a lot of these designs. I'm actually just now getting the green light to upgrade from Windows NT to Win2003 on one system I work on...

The way it takes FOREVER to try and make a change or incorporate new stuff on subs and ships today, it's not a shock that even in the future, there's a long lead time on adding new components

 

[Amaris]

One thing that personally bothers me about the look of Star Trek bridges in general is how un-futuristic they look. I mean, if you have ever seen those pictures of the Command and Control rooms aboard modern Nimitz Class aircraft carriers and Aegis equipped destroyers (not to forget the Virgina class submarine) they do not look worthy of the supposed 24th Century space fairing equivalents. Things like LCD screens, main view ports and simple touch screen interfaces are all possible today.

2 things on that:

first off, they are kinda stuck with a basic design that was supposed to look futuristic in the 1960s. You can dress it up a bit, but the basic design and concept was from many many years ago.

secondly, i'm not sure you really know what you're talking about with modern Navy bridges (or CnCs, even). I work for the Navy, and spend a lot of time working on subs (and occasionally destroyers). They look old as fuck, with materials and colors, as well as equipment, that would have been modern or advanced when TOS was on the air. Sure they're upgrading, trying to get newer stuff in there, but in general, it's kinda shocking how old and crappy these bridges on Navy ships and subs really look. For example, a simple thing like NETWORKING is just getting into a lot of these designs. I'm actually just now getting the green light to upgrade from Windows NT to Win2003 on one system I work on...

The way it takes FOREVER to try and make a change or incorporate new stuff on subs and ships today, it's not a shock that even in the future, there's a long lead time on adding new components

Don't forget the 400 coats of paint...on everything.
My best friend was in the navy for 8 years, worked aboard the Carl Vinson. He said when they had nothing else to do, they painted. Everything.

J.

 

[Rat Boy]

Not a cadet uniform.

Well, that's one thing that EW...got...I'm sorry, I'm a little distracted by J. O'Lantern's avatar.

 

[cultcross]

Not a cadet uniform.

Well, that's one thing that EW...got...I'm sorry, I'm a little distracted by J. O'Lantern's avatar.

You and the whole board.

 

[Rat Boy]

Not a cadet uniform.

Well, that's one thing that EW...got...I'm sorry, I'm a little distracted by J. O'Lantern's avatar.

You and the whole board.

Must come in handy in the TNZ forum.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Don't forget the 400 coats of paint...on everything.
My best friend was in the navy for 8 years, worked aboard the Carl Vinson. He said when they had nothing else to do, they painted. Everything.

J.

Best defense against salt water corrosion.