Spoilers The Boys Season 4 Discussion ( Spoilers)

[TRON JA307020]

The final fight with homelander stank. The V1 did nothing for him. He was easily beaten. He never went off and created havoc like we've been waiting for. He just said some crazy stuff on tv. They really must have had little budget. Everything I expected if it was a disappointment. Finally glad the show is done.

 

[The Wormhole]

I enjoyed it. Though I am among the few who enjoyed this season mostly, I will admit at bits it was a bit lacking. But the finale was satisfactory and enjoyable. Was it perfect? No. But it kept me entertained and engaged and in the end that's all I really ask for from my entertainment. And as such I unhesitatingly give the finale two thumbs up.

Something that has been nagging me all season though, why did they keep Jessie T Usher in the main cast given he was only in one episode? I know, the answer is probably contractual reasons, but it still seemed odd to me.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I enjoyed it. Though I am among the few who enjoyed this season mostly, I will admit at bits it was a bit lacking. But the finale was satisfactory and enjoyable. Was it perfect? No. But it kept me entertained and engaged and in the end that's all I really ask for from my entertainment. And as such I unhesitatingly give the finale two thumbs up.

Something that has been nagging me all season though, why did they keep Jessie T Usher in the main cast given he was only in one episode? I know, the answer is probably contractual reasons, but it still seemed odd to me.

They had a giant poster showing homelander above earth looking at all the destruction he caused. A poster showing butcher walking through the destroyed vought tower. These posters were for the theater release of the last episode. Instead of what the posters showed we got a short fight in the oval office. Homelander was easily beaten. He said a threat on tv and that was the closest we ever got to the destruction we saw on the posters. 5 seasons for such a low key ending.

 

[The Wormhole]

And? Hardly the first time posters or any kind of promotional material has been misleading.

Mind you, I never believed we'd get Homelander presiding over the destruction of cities or Butcher bring Vought Tower down anyway.

 

[CaptainWacky]

The finale was...okay. It ticked the boxes of everything that needed done, but there were no real surprises. A couple of moments moved me slightly, but not as much as it should have. It wasn't a disgrace and didn't render the whole show pointless or anything. But it also didn't make up for how weak the last two seasons have been. It is funny that all season I've seen people saying things like "they must be saving up the budget for something spectacular!" And then the final fight takes place in one room.

It's unfortunate they started the season by showing that Homelander was just as fast as A-Train, but here he couldn't move fast enough to escape Butcher and Ryan (and wasn't strong enough to fly off with them holding him.)

Terror died at a really plot convenient time to inspire Butcher to commit genocide. I did like though that Butcher had clearly changed his mind (moving his finger off the trigger) before Hughie shot him, and that he didn't tell Hughie this so that Hughie wouldn't think he killed Butcher for nothing. It was a well acted final scene betwee them.

Why did Annie take Deep to the beach? She didn't know the sea creatures had turned against him. You can't even say she learned it between episodes, because she looked shocked when they started circling around him. Why take him somewhere where he would have an advantage and she wouldn't have as much access to electricity? I did like the "Just take some responsibility!"/"NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" exchange. Chace Crawford was so good as Deep that I can see why they kept him around for the whole show.

Ashley saying she wasn'g going to stand down as President and then it immediately cutting to her being impeached made me laugh, so credi there.

The scene with some of the Gen V characters (where were Sam and Cate?) felt like it was setting up season 3 of that show, meaning it ended up being completely pointless.

Will all the millions of people who wanted Starlight dead and were willing to send their family and friends to death camps just be completely fine with the way everything ended up? Feels like a civil war should be coming.

Introducing an obvious Elon Musk stand-in then instantly kiling him kind was such a late season Boys thing to do (not a compliment.)

 

[The Wormhole]

Something that really doesn't make sense to me. Given that ball gag ended up making Oh Father's head explode when he attempted to scream with the thing in his mouth, how was that supposed to work if he and Ashley actually did use it during their kink play? He'd actually be at risk of killing himself. Supe kink, like their version of auto-erotic asphyxiation?

 

[Saul]

The scene with some of the Gen V characters (where were Sam and Cate?) felt like it was setting up season 3 of that show, meaning it ended up being completely pointless.

I guess they hadn't decided on the future of the show at this stage. It also made me realize that Butcher would never pull the trigger since it would have put the kibosh on that.

 

[TRON JA307020]

And? Hardly the first time posters or any kind of promotional material has been misleading.

Mind you, I never believed we'd get Homelander presiding over the destruction of cities or Butcher bring Vought Tower down anyway.

Misleading is an understatement. The fight was lackluster. Homelander for being the most powerful supe should easily have wiped the floor with all of them especially Butcher. Instead he looked like he was fighting for his life. He should have been able to easily fly out of there.

 

[Jayson1]

Homelander was grounded I think for budget reasons. Have no idea why the budget cut other than they were spending all the money on the spin-off. Must be expensive to recreate the 40's or 50's(forget the setting.)

 

[Aragorn]

This is the same Homelander who couldn't hear the boys when they were yelling and fighting each other in the abandoned laboratory. They simply made him too powerful for the writing staff to handle. Negative side effects to V1 would've been the easiest answer but nope.

 

[Mojochi]

This... really seemed like something Seth Rogen produced

 

[TRON JA307020]

This... really seemed like something Seth Rogen produced

Lol. Yup.

Homelander was grounded I think for budget reasons. Have no idea why the budget cut other than they were spending all the money on the spin-off. Must be expensive to recreate the 40's or 50's(forget the setting.)

I couldn't believe how bad the final fight was. What happened to homelanders super speed? He went down like any other supe. Im not sure why everyone feared him. Just get 5 supes 4 seasons ago and he could easily have been defeated.

 

[TedShatner10]

I couldn't believe how bad the final fight was. What happened to homelanders super speed? He went down like any other supe. Im not sure why everyone feared him. Just get 5 supes 4 seasons ago and he could easily have been defeated.

I just took the Oval Office final battle for what it was and The Boys always was a B-movie equivalent production, with the Freedom Camp escape and White House finale from S5 (plus the Herogasm and Vought Tower battles from S3) the best you could ever have hoped out of the show's comparatively modest budgeting.

As crude, transgressive, and outright mean as the original comic books were, a lot of people now find its final act more ambitious and genuinely cinematic in scope (and it just couldn't be replicated on the small screen effectively).

The Oval Office rematch is lampshaded by the fact that Butcher got help from Ryan (who was always intended by Vought to be Homelander's outright replacement), Kamiko was always very dangerous (now she was upgraded to level of Maeve or SB) and Butcher himself being much more dangerous than his V24 form (Diabolical had a similar V1 infused cancer monster, and it was able to swallow up a huge chunk of forest and chew right through Vought security troops).

 

[Jayson1]

One problem with having Homelander flying is he is the only one who can do it other than Annie and she was busy fighting The Deep. I suppose one could argue his ego would not let him just fly away. He was on national tv. He thinks he is GOD. He knows what it would look like if he basically just flew away to avoid a fight.

Granted if I was writing the scene and had the budget I would have had him fly above the White House and destroy the entire building. That would have looked cool. His son comes in and fights him in the sky, knocking him to the ground.

Our heroes make it out of the White House before it is destroyed and then on the White House lawn Butcher uses his tentacles to grab him long enough for Kimiko to use her blast to take away his powers. Butcher then kills him with the crowbar. Maybe tops it off by stabbing him in the head with a American Flag. After he grovels of course.

 

[TedShatner10]

The Boys series was always a B-movie equivalent production (with serious stuff interlaced with crude transgressive gags) and I took the final few episodes for what they were - I don't see Seasons 4 & 5 as the outright disasters some people here paint them as (they had their real highlights), but were still victims of the show getting too ambitious for the comparatively modest budgeting and the show as a whole starting to outstay its welcome after the Seasons 1 to 3 hot run.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The Boys series was always a B-movie equivalent production (with serious stuff interlaced with crude transgressive gags) and I took the final few episodes for what they were - I don't see Seasons 4 & 5 as the outright disasters some people here paint them as (they had their real highlights), but were still victims of the show getting too ambitious for the comparatively modest budgeting and the show as a whole starting to outstay its welcome after the Seasons 1 to 3 hot run.

They had two much bigger battles in the past. Maybe they lost budget. I dont know. But man a 5 minute battle in the oval office without hardly any destruction was just a huge letdown. We never got to see Homelander really open up and do all the destruction that was foreshadowed since season one. He made his threat on tv and that was it. I would rather they had made 4 episides and put more to each budget.

 

[TedShatner10]

They weren't much bigger battles; the Seasons 1 tp 3's fights were on a similar scale, but through editing tricks and fresher/better directing, they could do more with less (the Oval Office battle was more static or confined, breaking the illusion).

EDIT: if Homelander and Co. kept on bursting from White House room to room to corridor then finally onto the fake grassy knoll (against a green screen), the fight would've been better received.

 

[Aragorn]

Gen V had big VFX fights and an insane number of extras. I wonder how much of the budget of The Boys was tied up with the actors.

 

[TedShatner10]

Gen V had big VFX fights and an insane number of extras. I wonder how much of the budget of The Boys was tied up with the actors.

Most of the time it's adolescents talking to each other in rooms or outside on the grass.

The Boys Season 5 looked very expensive in brief spurts as well, however they could've had the White House be treated as Homelander's headquarters for all eight episodes.