Spoilers The Blacklist - Season 4 Discussion Thread

[Phoenix219]

I liked the premiere until everything became completely pointless at the end. That whole "car accident from the side out of nowhere with precise timing and where no one dies or is maimed" trope is becoming annoyingly overused in this type of show. To lose the baby again at the end made this episode pointless, meandering filler.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I do have to agree with you there. The first couple times I saw it, it was a cool surprise, but now it's getting annoying.

 

[Mr Light]

What the hell? So at the end of the episode they hadn't resolved a single thing.

At least this episode spelled out once and for all that Red is not her biological father. :-p

 

[Procutus]

At least this episode spelled out once and for all that Red is not her biological father. :-p

How? Just because Rostov said so? That doesn't prove anything. I still fully believe that Red is indeed her father and that this whole scenario will eventually establish that fact. I've maintained this from the very beginning and after binge-watching the entire series again, I saw nothing that contradicted that theory.

 

[Aragorn]

Red being her father and no one knowing it would be the most incompetent thing they've ever done on the show. Wanted criminal Raymond Reddington willingly turns himself in to the FBI and offers to help them but only if it's with some green no-name agent who was adopted, doesn't know who her birth parents are and is young enough to be his daughter. And no DNA test was ever done.

 

[JD]

At this point I'm thinking he's just interested in Liz because he was in love with her mother.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

I think more that Red made a promise to Liz's mother. Could there be a third party who is actually the father?

 

[Mr Light]

I always said that Red was felt he was her symbolic father. Remember the one episode where he gave her a speech about coming across a little girl and wanting to do everything in his power to protect her from harm, knowing that he couldn't?

 

[Procutus]

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Having just watched the ep in question a week ago, I remember the speech well. I also remember Red's hesitation in answering Liz the first time she asked if he was her father, before saying 'No'. I remember the glowing way he talked about having seen her to Sam, not as if she was someone else's daughter, but his own. But the thing that convinces me the most that I'm right was the way that Spader played the 'death' scene. The devastation he conveyed was that of a man who had just lost HIS OWN DAUGHTER, not someone that he had merely been watching over. Call me crazy, but I have still yet to see anything to convince me otherwise.

And while I'm being crazy, let me throw out my theory that Katerina is still alive and she will be the one to tell Liz that Red is indeed her biological father, something that Red himself will never do.

Just a theory, but we'll see.

 

[Gov Kodos]

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Having just watched the ep in question a week ago, I remember the speech well. I also remember Red's hesitation in answering Liz the first time she asked if he was her father, before saying 'No'. I remember the glowing way he talked about having seen her to Sam, not as if she was someone else's daughter, but his own. But the thing that convinces me the most that I'm right was the way that Spader played the 'death' scene. The devastation he conveyed was that of a man who had just lost HIS OWN DAUGHTER, not someone that he had merely been watching over. Call me crazy, but I have still yet to see anything to convince me otherwise.

And while I'm being crazy, let me throw out my theory that Katerina is still alive and she will be the one to tell Liz that Red is indeed her biological father, something that Red himself will never do.

Just a theory, but we'll see.

I've always believed he was her father and figured he was slowly training her to take over the empire Red has built since he's gotta know his days are numbered.

 

[auntiehill]

Thank you, NBC for completely ruining what would've been a great cliffhanger. Bastards.

Oh, and Red? Major dick move there, pal. I have a feeling it will come back to bite you in the ass.

 

[sojourner]

Lizzie is the real psychopath on this show. She does things with no rhyme nor reason, flitting from one extreme to the other.

 

[auntiehill]

^No kidding. That drives me spare. "I hate you! You kidnapped me and took my baby! I'm going to shoot you, crash the plane and hopefully kill you!"

5 minutes later: "Oh no! I can't let you drown! Let me save you!"

Seriously?

 

[Procutus]

^No kidding. That drives me spare. "I hate you! You kidnapped me and took my baby! I'm going to shoot you, crash the plane and hopefully kill you!"

5 minutes later: "Oh no! I can't let you drown! Let me save you!"

Seriously?

I'm actually watching that scene right now. You're right, Liz's actions are complete contradictions to the previous ones.

 

[Warp Core Breach]

As a friend said in a text after the episode ended, "Liz remains the most worthless character on TV."

Soooo... Mr. Kaplan is alive, right?

 

[Tom Hendricks]

As a friend said in a text after the episode ended, "Liz remains the most worthless character on TV."

Soooo... Mr. Kaplan is alive, right?

Well when most tv shows have a main character "die" people are hoping that they come back. I think the Blacklist is the first tv show that had fans wishing that she was dead.

I don't understand why that they can't write her as a compelling, competent character.

 

[auntiehill]

As a friend said in a text after the episode ended, "Liz remains the most worthless character on TV."

Soooo... Mr. Kaplan is alive, right?

NBC in their infinite wisdom took that very powerful moment and then ruined it seconds later with the preview for next week's episode. Way to build suspense there, NBC. But I am very happy that character is not totally dead--not yet, anyway. I rather like the idea of someone being out there who could actually take Red down--and not for evil purposes, either. In my head, I see Mr. Kaplan winding up in some high-tech fortress, stroking a white cat.

 

[Gov Kodos]

A fortress like Edna Mode's. Voice ID's herself and then chain guns pop out on whoever is with her, 'Mr Kaplan...'- ka-chick...'and friend'... ka-chick.

She and Dembe have me wanting a comedy/drama with them running around Red's world making the system work with occasional appearances by Red for story time and mayhem. Navabi and Aram appear once in a while as the competent FBI who do catch the bad guys and handle the blowback of Red's antics.

 

[Green Shirt]

introduce the big bad guy, kill off the big bad guy, introduce another bad guy who's actually the bad guy, kill him off, indtroduce another bad guy who's totally the big bad guy this time, kill him off.

Sounds a lot like the plot of every other The Walking Dead episode.

 

[Warp Core Breach]

A fortress like Edna Mode's. Voice ID's herself and then chain guns pop out on whoever is with her, 'Mr Kaplan...'- ka-chick...'and friend'... ka-chick.

She and Dembe have me wanting a comedy/drama with them running around Red's world making the system work with occasional appearances by Red for story time and mayhem. Navabi and Aram appear once in a while as the competent FBI who do catch the bad guys and handle the blowback of Red's antics.

Now that's the companion series they should be doing!