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"The BBC's activities and ambitions are chilling"

well this isnt exactly the same as that, I would be very surprised if ITV does not at least air some teleshopping like it does its other TV channels.
 
I dont disagree, just looked on digiguide, and ITV, 2, 3 & 4 all seem to carry about 2-3 hours of teleshopping a night, would not be surprised to see ITV 1 do as well at some point in the future.
 
I used to work to work for a warehouse that had the screen shop contract.
The phone operates worked upstairs from what i could work out i do not think anyone has ever ordered from a shopping channel when sober.:lol:
 
never mind Teleshopping on ITV 1 & roulette on Five, this is BIG news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8252901.stm

TV product placement 'approved'

Product placement is to be allowed on British TV shows, in a move expected to be announced next week.


Independent broadcasters will be allowed to take payments for displaying commercial products during shows.


The change is intended to bring in extra funds for commercial broadcasters. Experts believe it could raise up to £100m a year.
 
I thought it was already legal i remember Coronation Street having all the cadbury's chocolate on display in the cabin when they sponsored the show.
 
I thought it was already legal i remember Coronation Street having all the cadbury's chocolate on display in the cabin when they sponsored the show.
I think so long as they are showing multiple different products and not giving specific ones undue significance then that is fine, it's when they focus on specific products for no reason, and I'd think being in a newsagents is enough reason to have chocolate bars on display.


So, OFCOM has a consultation, decides to keep the ban in place, and now the government decides it's going to overrule and allow them wasting public money on consultations they ignore... fair enough, it might stop ITV whinging about it, but they better stop planning on top slicing the licence fee as well now that they're allowing this.
 
from what it said in today's Sunday Mirror, that's the idea, Bob. allow product placement, let the commercial channels get money that way and no top-slicing the licence fee.
 
from what it said in today's Sunday Mirror, that's the idea, Bob. allow product placement, let the commercial channels get money that way and no top-slicing the licence fee.
Well if that's the case I don't mind. I'd rather they loosened the regulations on commercial TV than started turning the licence fee in to a form of taxation to prop up failing media companies.
 
agreed. especially since most of what i watch is US imports with product placement or BBC stuff which isn't allowed to do it.

(no Kellog's cereals in Eastenders. no Nokia phones on Doctor Who...)
 
from what it said in today's Sunday Mirror, that's the idea, Bob. allow product placement, let the commercial channels get money that way and no top-slicing the licence fee.
ive not yet any articles about this yet, but (im going to soon) I hope that is the case.
 
What is "TV gambling"? I've never heard of such a thing here in the U.S. (I suspect it's very illegal here.)

I know there are people here (Americans especially) who don't like idea (or the reality) of the TV Licence, but without the BBC I can say that 99% of the time there would be nothing on TV I would watch that wasn't an American import.

Here's a side question: Why is American commercial TV capable of providing watchable entertainment while British commercial TV is not?
You'd be wrong in thinking commercial TV in the UK doesn't produce any watchable TV, in fact some of the most critically aclaimed and loved shows were from commercial channels. Cracker, Prime Suspect, Poroit, Shelock Holmes, Inspector Morse, etc. are all ITV productions... but look at what they are... They recently made Law & Order UK which was good enough to keep me watching, and Primeval, as well as Boy Meets Girl and Afterlife, all shows that were worth watching.
Channel 4 makes a lot of good comedies, from Brass Eye to Peep Show and The Inbetweeners, or Skins and Teachers loved them all and the occasional big drama, as well as stuff like live events such as live autopsies, and Derren Brown.
Sky have only recently started to produce homegrown shows seriously and have produced some good stuff already, Skellig, and the Discworld adaptations, as well as planning on more.

So it's a mistake to think commercial TV here doesn't produce good shows, it's just they don't take full advantage of them in international sales so much, and they do produce a lot of drek too, just like in the US, for every good show their must be 50 shit ones.

Hey, I was basing my statement about commercial TV in the U.K. around what you said. You were the one who said, "without the BBC I can say that 99% of the time there would be nothing on TV I would watch that wasn't an American import." But if that statement isn't true, and British commercial TV is producing quality programming, then it raises the question of why you also need publicly funded entertainment programming.

I think so long as they are showing multiple different products and not giving specific ones undue significance then that is fine, it's when they focus on specific products for no reason, and I'd think being in a newsagents is enough reason to have chocolate bars on display.
Not this then?

I've never understood what the big deal is supposed to be about product placement. What's the harm in companies paying to have their products displayed within the programs? True, the linked cigar scene from The Plain Clothes Man is pretty stupid but it's not immoral and I can't see any reason why a commercial network should be legally banned from doing it.

But then, Doctor Who has taught us that when a company vigorously markets a new product, it's usually a front for an alien invasion.
 
it's not immoral and I can't see any reason why a commercial network should be legally banned from doing it.

TV producers that do product placement in an obnoxious enough way will be punished by decreased viewing, and therefore they will lose money. So you're right, that's not the sort of thing the government needs to horn in on. It's self-regulating.

The notion that product placement is "immoral" is pretty funny, considering that TV exists in order to get us to buy shit. This is just another tactic, that's all.

With the increase in time-shifting and ad zapping, TV studios will be increasingly forced to place ads in the programs if they want to continue to be financially viable. We may as well all get used to it. The best we can hope is that it will be done in a way that doesn't detract from the program content.
 
^On the subject of product placement, a couple years ago at the Phoenix Cactus ComicCon, there was a really funny short film directed by Tim Russ called Plugged. It's a detective story (with Dominic Keating & the guy who played Ambassador Soval as the detectives) that clearly only exists for the purpose of product placement. The best part is the beginning, when the unwitting victim (Ethan Phillips) is killed by a pizza delivery man at his door. As he flails around in his death throes, he still makes sure that you can clearly see the logo on the top of the pizza box. It's a really fun movie, made all the more fun because of all the Star Trek connections. Check it out if you get the chance.
 
The Borgified Corpse, my statement was based on personal taste and not on what is popular. I barely watch a thing on ITV, I enjoy some things on Channel 4 but a majority of things(British shows at least) I watch are on BBC channels.

As for why we have the BBC, well a majority of the British public like having the BBC and I think that's a good enough reason but the BBC are supposed to make/show the things commercial TV wouldn't/couldn't due to it not being profitable, hence all the documentaries and stuff they make.
 
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