The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McNally

[Captain Clark Terrell]

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^And Aaron Hernandez. I'm waiting for the day we find out that everything he did gets traced back to Belichick.

Before someone responds, I'm only joking about the last part.

--Sran

 

[Corran Horn]

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Goodell's ruling has nothing to do with the actual specifics of the case. It's basically one big 'RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!'

Why should he handle this with anything less than his usual incompetence?

 

[Scout101]

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Certainly a feather in his cap.

The arbitration thing was funny. He said Vincent was in charge of the punishment, so it was appropriate for him to be the arbitrator. And now that he knows it's going to court, he made a point of saying HE approved everything, HE punished Brady, because the other way is a CBA violation and wouldn't stand up in court. Of course, means the arbitration thing is a slam dunk for being a sham...

 

[fonzob1]

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Even if Tom Brady was not part of a conspiracy to deflate the Patriots' footballs, he is culpable. If the balls were in fact deflated, he would have been the first player to know. If he did nothing about it, then he was cheating. He is wasting his time appealing to the courts.

 

[Tom Servo]

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Even if Tom Brady was not part of a conspiracy to deflate the Patriots' footballs, he is culpable. If the balls were in fact deflated, he would have been the first player to know. If he did nothing about it, then he was cheating. He is wasting his time appealing to the courts.

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read. Even if he wasn't involved, he's cheating? Okay, that works.

And according to many legal experts, he has a damn good chance of winning in court, so I don't know why you think he is wasting his time.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

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Do you have any links? Unfortunately, the only one I saw is on PTI, so there's nothing to link to, but he basically thought there was no chance. Is this governed under the American Arbitration Act? Are there other claims besides the arbiter claim (such as Sherman Act claims)?

 

[fonzob1]

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Even if Tom Brady was not part of a conspiracy to deflate the Patriots' footballs, he is culpable. If the balls were in fact deflated, he would have been the first player to know. If he did nothing about it, then he was cheating. He is wasting his time appealing to the courts.

Thats the stupidest thing I've ever read. Even if he wasn't involved, he's cheating? Okay, that works.

And according to many legal experts, he has a damn good chance of winning in court, so I don't know why you think he is wasting his time.

It makes perfect sense if you comprehend it. Even if he didn't organize the deflation of the footballs, he had to figure it out during the course of the game because every deflated football was in his hands.

 

[Timby]

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And according to many legal experts, he has a damn good chance of winning in court

Cite your sources.

 

[Tom Servo]

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And according to many legal experts, he has a damn good chance of winning in court

Cite your sources.

And how about your cite yours Timby, since you seem to be raving over and over that he has no chance in court.

Edit:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/7/...tegate-federal-court-roger-goodell-nflpa-case

http://www.abc6.com/story/29655547/legal-experts-break-down-brady-appeal-process

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industri...gator-says-tom-brady-was-ambushed-by-goodell/

Here is a few Timby. Are they saying slam dunk that he's going to win? No. But he has a pretty decent chance. It's not the no chance effort that you seemingly think it is.

Also did you even watch the John Dowd video I posted? Did any of you? It's again posted in the above links. Or are you just ignoring anything post that may support Brady, since your mind is obviously already made up.

 

[Timby]

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And according to many legal experts, he has a damn good chance of winning in court

Cite your sources.

And how about your cite yours Timby, since you seem to be raving over and over that he has no chance in court.

Edit:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/7/...tegate-federal-court-roger-goodell-nflpa-case

http://www.abc6.com/story/29655547/legal-experts-break-down-brady-appeal-process

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industri...gator-says-tom-brady-was-ambushed-by-goodell/

Here is a few Timby. Are they saying slam dunk that he's going to win? No. But he has a pretty decent chance. It's not the no chance effort that you seemingly think it is.

Also did you even watch the John Dowd video I posted? Did any of you? It's again posted in the above links. Or are you just ignoring anything post that may support Brady, since your mind is obviously already made up.

You literally said that "many legal experts" said Brady has a good chance of winning in court. I'd like to see many such experts stating such.

Edit: OK, after reviewing the links you provided, there are some legitimate arguments put forth.

But the idea that Goodell, whose best friend in the league is Bob Kraft, is unilaterally going after the greatest quarterback in history, who has made more money for the NFL than anyone outside of, shit, Bo Jackson maybe, for capricious reasons defies logic.

 

[Tom Servo]

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Cite your sources.

And how about your cite yours Timby, since you seem to be raving over and over that he has no chance in court.

Edit:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/7/...tegate-federal-court-roger-goodell-nflpa-case

http://www.abc6.com/story/29655547/legal-experts-break-down-brady-appeal-process

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industri...gator-says-tom-brady-was-ambushed-by-goodell/

Here is a few Timby. Are they saying slam dunk that he's going to win? No. But he has a pretty decent chance. It's not the no chance effort that you seemingly think it is.

Also did you even watch the John Dowd video I posted? Did any of you? It's again posted in the above links. Or are you just ignoring anything post that may support Brady, since your mind is obviously already made up.

You literally said that "many legal experts" said Brady has a good chance of winning in court. I'd like to see many such experts stating such.

Edit: OK, after reviewing the links you provided, there are some legitimate arguments put forth.

But the idea that Goodell, whose best friend in the league is Bob Kraft, is unilaterally going after the greatest quarterback in history, who has made more money for the NFL than anyone outside of, shit, Bo Jackson maybe, for capricious reasons defies logic.

But can you follow the logic of nailing Brady, and the Patriots for this, placates the other 31 other owners, especially in light of the other screwups Goodell has had. What is more helpful to him, a happy Kraft, and a bunch of grumbling owners who are mad that the Pats have (seemingly) gotten away with murder again, or 31 happy owners and one pissed of Kraft?

Edit: I also found this blog which does provide some interesting step by step analysis of the arguments in the case:

http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-questions/

 

[fonzob1]

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I am skeptical that Brady will win on technicalities. The Colts equipment manager and the referee Walt Anderson can testify that Patriots balls were deflated. A professional quarterback who has handled many properly inflated footballs over the course of an entire career should have some awareness of whether or not he is getting a bump out of under-inflated footballs.

The Patriots should just make the best out of the situation by starting Jimmy Garoppolo and seeing if they can get a decent trade out of him like they did Matt Cassel.

 

[Tom Servo]

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I am skeptical that Brady will win on technicalities. The Colts equipment manager and the referee Walt Anderson can testify that Patriots balls were deflated. A professional quarterback who has handled many properly inflated footballs over the course of an entire career should have some awareness of whether or not he is getting a bump out of under-inflated footballs.

The Patriots should just make the best out of the situation by starting Jimmy Garoppolo and seeing if they can get a decent trade out of him like they did Matt Cassel.

You mean the same Walt Anderson, who testified to the Wells committee that he measured the game balls with a the gauge whose reading, in theory, allows their PSI at half time to be within the properties of the ideal gas law? The same Walt Anderson who "misremembers" that information according to the Wells report, since that fact doesn't fall in line with conclusion that tampering took place.

Also, since the procedure was so fucked up in the first place, why should anyone believe what the Colts equipment manager said? There is no chain of evidence for any of this stuff.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

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Tom, I'm glad you posted the final link. I was about to rant about the first three links, which are crap. I hate when reports simply don't bother to explain the legal claims. For example, the third link just said Goodell was unfair. That might be true, but it isn't a legal claim. The sbnation one said that they would argue basic due process wasn't followed without explaining why basic due process should have to be followed.

That last link actually spells out the NFLPA's argument. Essentially, it's a breach of contract claim, arguing that the CBA has an implicit provision requiring some level of due process the arbiter has to follow and Goodell violated that implied provision. Based on that link's statements, it doesn't seem to be an explicit provision, but it seems to be a default rule in labor agreements. I do wonder the extent to which sports labor agreements fall under that default rule. After all, the MLB Commissioner can do any action in the best interests of Baseball. On top of that, I also wonder the degree to which deference is given to the arbiter. In some scenarios, arbiters are judges not only of the facts but of the scope of the agreement. I don't think it's reasonable to think that the NFLPA agreed that Goodell could be the sole interpret of the CBA, but the AAA might give him deference there too.

I'm glad that final link didn't attempt to argue that Goodell's role as arbiter made it invalid. That's what the agreement called for. It was a clearly negotiated issue.

 

[gblews]

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But can you follow the logic of nailing Brady, and the Patriots for this, placates the other 31 other owners, especially in light of the other screwups Goodell has had. What is more helpful to him, a happy Kraft, and a bunch of grumbling owners who are mad that the Pats have (seemingly) gotten away with murder again, or 31 happy owners and one pissed of Kraft?

I think the perception that the Pats are cheats and that they might be getting away with something was created by the Pats who have been found guilty every time they've been caught and charged.

The "win at any cost", including ethics and fair play, atmosphere that seems to grip the Pats, flows from the top, meaning Robert Kraft. I also think that by continuing to vehemently defend Brady, it continues to fosters that atmosphere around the team. "I'm going to go ahead and try this (cheat), hell even if I get caught, the team will stick by me".

If the Pats really want to change the team's perception, they could start by simply letting Brady fight this battle alone and stop attacking the NFL in the press.

 

[Corran Horn]

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I love Kraft carpet-bombing Goodell by releasing the correspondence.

The NFL is solely running on inertia - Goodell has nothing to do with any successes.

This is like watching two people you can't stand try to beat each other to death.

 

[Scout101]

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Just for fun, does the release of the arbitration transcript change any opinions?

Starting to see public opinion sway on this obvious hatchet job, especially when comparing the transcript against Goodell's 20-page finding afterwards. Just blatantly lying and twisting things to try and support the decision they wanted to make. Pretty pissed that no matter how this goes (think Brady is getting off), Pats won't be getting their draft picks and $1M back.

On the plus side, this might be the fuckup that finally sinks ol' Roger...

 

[Skywalker]

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Goodell clearly never expected that transcript to be made public. Sadly he's probably still not going to lose his position over the hilarious clusterfuck he's turned this thing into.

 

[Timby]

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Sadly he's probably still not going to lose his position over the hilarious clusterfuck he's turned this thing into.

Goodell didn't lose his job after his predecessor had to step in and say "You done fucked up, son" with the Saints bounty hunting suspensions, he didn't lose his job after spectacularly bungling two domestic abuse incidents, he isn't going to lose his job after suspending Boston's favorite son. As long as the league brings in record profits every year (which it will continue to do), he will continue to enjoy the support of two-thirds of the owners and he will be secure.

 

[Tom Servo]

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Sadly he's probably still not going to lose his position over the hilarious clusterfuck he's turned this thing into.

Goodell didn't lose his job after his predecessor had to step in and say "You done fucked up, son" with the Saints bounty hunting suspensions, he didn't lose his job after spectacularly bungling two domestic abuse incidents, he isn't going to lose his job after suspending Boston's favorite son. As long as the league brings in record profits every year (which it will continue to do), he will continue to enjoy the support of two-thirds of the owners and he will be secure.

Even if it is being shown that he blatantly lied and mischaracterized what was said in the hearings? The records are public now, and what was said, and what Roger Goodell has stated was said, don't line up. The ironic part in this whole thing, is that after all this effort and time wasted by the NFL, they still can't prove Tom Brady lied, yet we now sit here with proof that Roger Goodell did.

And Timby, I know you have taken the position that you don't understand why the NFL front office would go after its own star player. After seeing the leaked emails and transcripts, including those from the Pats to the NFL front office practically begging them to correct the misinformation that was being spread in the media, do you still think that the NFL has been on the level with this whole investigation? Im talking beyond them being just stupid, which they have been, but in a more deliberate sense.