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The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McNally

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Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN

To accuse the NFL for going after one of its own golden-boy top money-makers, fresh off a Superbowl win, purely out of "bias", as you put it, would be a patently foolish (if not dangerous) move, shooting off their nose despite their face.

Face reality - Brady, Belichick & co. stuck their collective dicks in the light-socket with this one, and were all clearly lying about a great many things. It doesn't take being a professional poker player or interrogation specialist to pick up on the tells and non-verbal nervous reaction-formations to see it. Your own Dear Leader Belichick threw Brady under the bus at his first press conference over this kerfuffle, so you might want to check your accusations of "bias" against the Pats at the door - rings a little hollow these days.
 
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Shit, in his own first press conference:

Reporter: "Is Tom Brady a cheater?"

Brady: "I don't believe so."

That's literally a perfect opportunity to offer a stone-cold denial and he didn't take it.
 
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I don't believe the Patriots have earned the cheater label but they often push gamesmanship to the brink with a fuck you attitude about it. The Colts decided to play their own brand of gamesmanship here and the Patriots were on the wrong end of it this time.

Kraft said the following after the whole spygate thing and I suspect he would say it again today.

“How much did this help us on a scale of 1 to 100?” Kraft asked Belichick.

“One,” Belichick replied.

“Then you’re a real schmuck,” Kraft said he told Belichick.
 
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Chiming in on the "deflate-gate" thingy....

The allegation was horse@#$@#$#@$

But, Tom & the Patriots initial response was just stupid.

All Tom had to do was say something like, "if I said anything that could have been misunderstood as me wanting less pressure in the footballs, then I'm sorry. There was never an intent to break the rules here". (or something to that effect)

The NFL's response should have then been, "In light of a possible unintentional rules infringement, the NFL will conduct a detailed policy/procedure review and amend our policies as needed to ensure the standard is clear achievable."

But no, Tom and the Patriots when high and right, etc., etc...

I wonder who advises these folks...

The worst part about this, is the joe-blow ball boys got fired.
 
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Tom Servo said:
You know why they win, why they have blown up the concept of league parity? It's because they are smarter then you, their players are better then yours, and their team is internally held to a higher standard then yours.
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God, this is an obnoxious post. What goes around, comes around dude, so try to take a deep breath and remember that everybody but the Cleveland Browns gets a shot at being the best.
 
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Jedi_Master said:
Tom Servo said:
You know why they win, why they have blown up the concept of league parity? It's because they are smarter then you, their players are better then yours, and their team is internally held to a higher standard then yours.
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God, this is an obnoxious post. What goes around, comes around dude, so try to take a deep breath and remember that everybody but the Cleveland Browns gets a shot at being the best.
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You're right, they do. It's a non salary cap league. It's a level field. And the Patriots have been better at it then the rest of the league over the last 15 years. It may sound obnoxious, and I'm sorry that it does so, but that is fact. That's not my opinion, its a fact, as reflected by their record and playoff wins.

And when I say they are internally held to a higher standard on the field, I don't mean by the fan base, I mean by Belichick and the coaching staff. No one gets rid of detrimental players faster then he does, when it comes to on the field performance.

Oh and Timby, I will write you a point by point rebuttal when I get a chance today, (though I love your edict of use the report that's biased towards the NFL, but you can't use the one that the Patriots put out to defend themselves), but if you want to have a summary of the issues that I think a lot fans have with the whole scandal, Sally Jenkins, someone with no ties to NE, and no ties to the Patriots, put it very well in this piece:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...2c8d2c-ffd4-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html

I really would like to know, honestly, of the people who are here saying Brady deserved the punishment, own it, and they cheated, who has read the Well's Report cover to cover, and The Well's Report in Context?
 
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However, each era in NFL history has had a dominant team, some of them with remarkable longevity. For example the 49ers in 20 years (1980-2000) won 5 Super Bowls and had 223 regular season wins. One could argue that the strike shortened 1982 and 1987 seasons would have added a few more to that total.

The Patriots will have to average 8 wins or more for the next 6 seasons and win another Super Bowl to match that total.

What's even more interesting is that in the past few years the 49ers have still remained competitive, even going to a Super Bowl in 2012.

So don't get too excited. You still got a ways to go. :)
 
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Jedi_Master said:
However, each era in NFL history has had a dominant team, some of them with remarkable longevity. For example the 49ers in 20 years (1980-2000) won 5 Super Bowls and had 223 regular season wins. One could argue that the strike shortened 1982 and 1987 seasons would have added a few more to that total.

The Patriots will have to average 8 wins or more for the next 6 seasons and win another Super Bowl to match that total.

What's even more interesting is that in the past few years the 49ers have still remained competitive, even going to a Super Bowl in 2012.

So don't get too excited. You still got a ways to go. :)
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I'm not arguing historically, but Patriots are up there with the other great dominant teams in NFL history, especially with one QB and coach. Even at this point they could be considered the best QB/coach tandem in NFL history, and they aren't done yet.

But they have been the most dominant overall team in the NFL since Belichick and Brady took over, I don't think that's arguable.
 
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Unless I'm whiffing on the dates, the rest of those examples are before some combination of Free Agency or Salary Cap era, no? Salary Cap was 1994, FA really happened in 1992. So for the rest of those teams, once you had a good base, you could keep them, and pay them.

Since then, the system has been changed to pretty much literally give everyone a shot at it (except maybe the Browns or Jags ;) ), so that the Pats are able to put this run together in this era is what's impressive.

Could argue about strategy, planning, cold decisions with FA, etc. or lump a lot of it in with just having Top (whatever) All Time QB and Coach, but either way, the system has been designed to basically make what they've done either impossible or just really hard.

And no one wants to comment on the former Jets toady that posted that tweet? Hard to tell people that the NFL was fair, just take your lumps, when the tools are actively trolling you. Can't believe Goodell hasn't had that taken down and the person that posted it fired yet. Well, actually, kinda believe it, but it makes them look TERRIBLE right after Kraft publically took his lumps for the good of the shield...
 
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Again going back to the concept of "domination" it depends on how you choose to draw the line.

Since 1994 22 different teams have played in the Super Bowl. That's a fantastic percentage.

28 different teams have played in the NFC and AFC conference championship games.

17 different teams have either held or tied for the best record in the NFL.

7 teams have won multiple Super Bowls. (Yes New England has won 4 but both Dallas and Pittsburgh have won 3).

Only 2(!) teams have not won a division title in since 1994 and EVERY single NFL team has gone to the playoffs in the past 21 years. All of them. Only 3 NFL teams have not won a playoff game in the past 21 years. Only 7 NFL teams have not appeared in a Conference Championship game in the past 21 years.

The free agent era HAS been one of parity and opportunity, and the Patriots have an edge over the rest, but not by some laudable "we're the best" margin. Any trumpeting of we're the best is based primarily on hubris, not stats.
 
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Tom Servo said:
It's a non salary cap league.
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It took me a bit to find this thread because it took so long, but Goodell affirms the four game suspension. At this point, I don't think the NFL's case was that strong, but Brady destroying his cell phone doesn't look good either.

That being said, I don't expect the lawsuit to go anywhere, so I think this four game suspension will hold.
 
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It will never stop being amusing to me that it was Brady's lawsuit against the NFL which created the CBA that's totally fucking him over. (Under the old CBA, all labor suits were to be argued in Minnesota federal court, and they inevitably wound up in front of Judge Doty, who has historically been pro-labor. The new CBA says that labor suits can be filed anywhere, hence the NFL filing a preemptive suit in the Southern District of New York.)
 
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Alidar Jarok said:
It took me a bit to find this thread because it took so long, but Goodell affirms the four game suspension. At this point, I don't think the NFL's case was that strong, but Brady destroying his cell phone doesn't look good either.

That being said, I don't expect the lawsuit to go anywhere, so I think this four game suspension will hold.
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That's damning... that he destroyed his phone implicates he was hiding something.
 
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Well, it implies it. Brady responded by saying he routinely does this, which, if he can corroborate this isn't implausible if he's concerned about people stealing his personal information and selling it to tabloids (I'm not saying I believe it, just that it isn't impossible). On the other hand, they apparently got text messages from other Patriot employees who would presumably have both sides of the conversation if Brady was communicating with them over the footballs.

But yeah, in the context of civil cases, there's something called spoliation, which means, if the other side intentionally destroys evidence in a case, you may infer that the evidence would have been unfavorable to them.
 
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Destroying his cell phones isn't implausible, considering that an outlet like TMZ or Gawker would easily pay half a million dollars for Brady's text messages. It's the "wait four months, then decide the day before I meet with investigators that today is the day for a new phone" bit that reeks.
 
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^^^ Agreed. Doesn't look good for Mr. Brady on that one. It's all irrelevant, really. If this thing goes to court, they can simply subpoena the SMS text records on his account and the jig is up. He really shouldn't be pushing the issue like he is - he's liable to push his own career off the cliff. He should man up, take his 4-game suspension lumps and move on. He'll bounce back if he isn't stupid about this.
 
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He already gave up the numbers and names for every text message in the relevant period, so could always check with the other party for any one in particular. He got a signed letter from Verizon saying they couldn't recover the SMS messages, so not sure what you think a subpoena would do.

I don't get it anyway. They think he's texting things to these other two guys, and want his phone to prove it. But since they already have THEIR phones, how do they think text messages work? Conversation is on both phones...

"Destroyed" was intentionally inflammatory by Goodell, an interesting choice. Bad timing/look for sure, but makes sense in that if the phone is broken, Brady is not going to just toss it in the trash, he's going to make sure no one gets anything off of it. I'd imagine his photo section is more interesting than most people's :lol:

As for the 'take your lumps' camp, what's the downside at this point? Worst case, he's STILL suspended, not like it'll be a lifetime ban if he loses. And the NFL isn't so hot in court, and doesn't exactly come out like saints in this investigation, so better than average champ he don't miss any games. Not like he's hurting for money to pay the lawyer or anything...

Worst part is still going to be after they take sample data for a year and find out that this is pretty much just what happens to balls in shitty weather outdoors. All this drama, nefarious plots assigned to the Patriots, 70-year old ninja equipment manager, and it's going to turn out that the balls read pretty much exactly as the perfectly controlled NFL balls do later on.

Of course, once the numbers come back and are right in line, there won't be an apology (STILL must have done SOMETHING, right?), Pats won't get the picks back, etc. Such a stupid manufactured drama over something the NFL didn't care about in the first place. Lots of punishment talk, no one seems to care that the CRIME seems to be missing :lol:
 
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