The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McNally
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Well, unless the NFL appeals. Then it'll be up to the Second Circuit.
Hey, maybe they can get a better system in place. I'd personally remove Goodell from the process entirely (although he didn't have a say in the initial punishment and it still ended up happening).
Well, unless the NFL appeals. Then it'll be up to the Second Circuit.
Hey, maybe they can get a better system in place. I'd personally remove Goodell from the process entirely (although he didn't have a say in the initial punishment and it still ended up happening).
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Well, the NFL has already vowed to appeal, but it'll be a pointless gesture; there's no way the Second Circuit gets involved given Judge Berman's extremely well-written takedown of the procedural issues that happened in this case, and the Supreme Court is never going to take on such a silly case like this one.
This is something that the NFLPA needs to get written into the next CBA, but those negotiations won't re-open for another four years and I have serious doubts that DeMaurice Smith won't still be the executive director of the union by that time, because he seems to have convinced his constituency that it's better to just play ball with the owners because it'll be a better outcome next time -- which, as we have seen time and again in just about every labor / management dispute in professional sports, to say nothing of labor / management in every industry, is just complete horseshit.
Well, the NFL has already vowed to appeal, but it'll be a pointless gesture; there's no way the Second Circuit gets involved given Judge Berman's extremely well-written takedown of the procedural issues that happened in this case, and the Supreme Court is never going to take on such a silly case like this one.
This is something that the NFLPA needs to get written into the next CBA, but those negotiations won't re-open for another four years and I have serious doubts that DeMaurice Smith won't still be the executive director of the union by that time, because he seems to have convinced his constituency that it's better to just play ball with the owners because it'll be a better outcome next time -- which, as we have seen time and again in just about every labor / management dispute in professional sports, to say nothing of labor / management in every industry, is just complete horseshit.
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It'll likely change earlier, and without a strike. The owners themselves can't be happy with the process (and wasted money/bad PR), so both sides seem motivated to stepping in and fixing this broken process. Both procedural, and by cleaning house a bit in the NFL offices. The inept lawyers advising people on this, the former JETS stooges that kept this going, and hopefully this is the watershed moment that gets Goodell out of there. Watching his actions and decisions, and especially things like reading the transcripts, the guy has proven he's a complete moron. Yeah, NFL is still making money, but think that could be despite him instead of because of him...
It'll likely change earlier, and without a strike. The owners themselves can't be happy with the process (and wasted money/bad PR), so both sides seem motivated to stepping in and fixing this broken process. Both procedural, and by cleaning house a bit in the NFL offices. The inept lawyers advising people on this, the former JETS stooges that kept this going, and hopefully this is the watershed moment that gets Goodell out of there. Watching his actions and decisions, and especially things like reading the transcripts, the guy has proven he's a complete moron. Yeah, NFL is still making money, but think that could be despite him instead of because of him...
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
I agree the Supreme Court's not getting involved, but the Second Circuit at least has to hear the case.
I agree the Supreme Court's not getting involved, but the Second Circuit at least has to hear the case.
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Seems like it should get laughed out of court once they hear it, though. Berman's ruling seemed pretty solid, not sure which part of that they think he got wrong, other than not getting their way. While it seemed like he would have laughed off the actual 'crime' portion (that Brady did anything), he was pretty careful to avoid it completely so it wouldn't get shot down on appeal for over-stepping the bounds.
Seems like it should get laughed out of court once they hear it, though. Berman's ruling seemed pretty solid, not sure which part of that they think he got wrong, other than not getting their way. While it seemed like he would have laughed off the actual 'crime' portion (that Brady did anything), he was pretty careful to avoid it completely so it wouldn't get shot down on appeal for over-stepping the bounds.
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Dayum's right! Someone had a lot of time on their hands to write that wall of text. Quite impressive.
Above and beyond what anyone may think of the Patriots at this point, it is painfully clear that Goodell really is a complete buffoon and epic failure. Between his abhorrent mishandling of various charges of performance enhancing drug usage in the NFL during his tenure, proven acts of domestic violence, the Brady thing and a myriad other screw-ups, he definitely needs to be handed his walking papers.
Brady and Belichick didn't really win this one, despite what their apologists crow - Goodell lost it all and the rest of the league and the fans must suffer for it.
Dayum's right! Someone had a lot of time on their hands to write that wall of text. Quite impressive.
Above and beyond what anyone may think of the Patriots at this point, it is painfully clear that Goodell really is a complete buffoon and epic failure. Between his abhorrent mishandling of various charges of performance enhancing drug usage in the NFL during his tenure, proven acts of domestic violence, the Brady thing and a myriad other screw-ups, he definitely needs to be handed his walking papers.
Brady and Belichick didn't really win this one, despite what their apologists crow - Goodell lost it all and the rest of the league and the fans must suffer for it.
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This is so unbelievably transparent, on the part of the NFL and ESPN, I don't even know what to say at this point. Of course the majority of NFL fans will lap it up without question.
So this is what we know right? I just saw this lovely list on another site.
So the Patriots win because:
-Taping practices - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Taping signals - Admitted, not illegal before 2006. After 2006 they were dopes for taping from the sideline.
-Bugging locker rooms - no evidence but we all know it happened
-stealing play sheets - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Breaking into hotels / looking for things at the hotel - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Jamming radios - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Deflating balls - I think we've been over this one.
-Practicing with guys on IR - no evidence but we all know it happened
Damn I'm convinced.
This is so unbelievably transparent, on the part of the NFL and ESPN, I don't even know what to say at this point. Of course the majority of NFL fans will lap it up without question.
So this is what we know right? I just saw this lovely list on another site.
So the Patriots win because:
-Taping practices - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Taping signals - Admitted, not illegal before 2006. After 2006 they were dopes for taping from the sideline.
-Bugging locker rooms - no evidence but we all know it happened
-stealing play sheets - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Breaking into hotels / looking for things at the hotel - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Jamming radios - no evidence but we all know it happened
-Deflating balls - I think we've been over this one.
-Practicing with guys on IR - no evidence but we all know it happened
Damn I'm convinced.
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
I really think at this point that the Patriots could disembowel kittens and puppies on the 50 yard line at halftime every single game and Patriots fans would respond
I really think at this point that the Patriots could disembowel kittens and puppies on the 50 yard line at halftime every single game and Patriots fans would respond
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
No, it would be an anonymous source telling ESPN that they do that, then ESPN, running with the story like it's fact reports it that way, despite the fact that there isn't any evidence that it actually occurred.
You may act like Pats fans deny stuff, but how about someone shows up with some SOLID EVIDENCE, rather the the accusations of teams that have lost to them over the years.
No, it would be an anonymous source telling ESPN that they do that, then ESPN, running with the story like it's fact reports it that way, despite the fact that there isn't any evidence that it actually occurred.
You may act like Pats fans deny stuff, but how about someone shows up with some SOLID EVIDENCE, rather the the accusations of teams that have lost to them over the years.
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Sorry. I highly doubt that Patriots fans would accept even solid evidence, as I don't have any solid evidence that they have accepted any solid evidence ever presented.
Cue the line:
Sorry. I highly doubt that Patriots fans would accept even solid evidence, as I don't have any solid evidence that they have accepted any solid evidence ever presented.
Cue the line:
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
Well maybe we're pissed because there are people like you who have no problem pissing on them, despite the fact that there hasn't been any solid evidence, beyond Spygate, which they were punished for, and they admitted wrongdoing.
There hasn't been ANY solid evidence presented in ANY of these accusations. NONE! Including deflategate! But we can't let that stop the narrative that they win cause they cheat.
If there was a text, a phone call, video evidence, some sort of hard conclusive thing in any of these, I personally, would have to look at that with an objective and critical eye, for sure, but there hasn't been any of that shown. Why should Pats fans just accept it?
Well maybe we're pissed because there are people like you who have no problem pissing on them, despite the fact that there hasn't been any solid evidence, beyond Spygate, which they were punished for, and they admitted wrongdoing.
There hasn't been ANY solid evidence presented in ANY of these accusations. NONE! Including deflategate! But we can't let that stop the narrative that they win cause they cheat.
If there was a text, a phone call, video evidence, some sort of hard conclusive thing in any of these, I personally, would have to look at that with an objective and critical eye, for sure, but there hasn't been any of that shown. Why should Pats fans just accept it?
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Honestly, what is anyone supposed to say at this point? Pretty clear hit job on this one. NFL lost in actual court, so they've fired up an ESPN mouthpiece to retry things in the court of public opinion.
Nothing new actually introduced, just warmed over a bunch of (mostly debunked) rumors they've heard over the years. I mean, they reran the rumor about taping practices again, RIGHT after they had to go on the air twice and apologize for falsely referencing that disproven story again. Seems that you can write whatever, as long as you retract it within a decade. It's then fair game to reference as fact NEXT time you want to write a hit piece...
Anyone that hates that Pats ate this right up, and it didn't provide anything new for supporters to even pick at, so where should this go?
While Bill Simmons is an unapologetic Boston homer, his Twitter has been entertaining since this story went live: https://twitter.com/BillSimmons
Everyone that's ever lost to the Patriots get get on the bandwagon with excuses, it's great. Hey, these grapes taste funny...
Honestly, what is anyone supposed to say at this point? Pretty clear hit job on this one. NFL lost in actual court, so they've fired up an ESPN mouthpiece to retry things in the court of public opinion.
Nothing new actually introduced, just warmed over a bunch of (mostly debunked) rumors they've heard over the years. I mean, they reran the rumor about taping practices again, RIGHT after they had to go on the air twice and apologize for falsely referencing that disproven story again. Seems that you can write whatever, as long as you retract it within a decade. It's then fair game to reference as fact NEXT time you want to write a hit piece...
Anyone that hates that Pats ate this right up, and it didn't provide anything new for supporters to even pick at, so where should this go?
While Bill Simmons is an unapologetic Boston homer, his Twitter has been entertaining since this story went live: https://twitter.com/BillSimmons
Everyone that's ever lost to the Patriots get get on the bandwagon with excuses, it's great. Hey, these grapes taste funny...
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
A team that allows "solid" evidence to exist of their cheating ways aren't winners - they are idiots. Stating that "solid" evidence must exist before the label of "cheater" can be applied creates an impossible standard, especially when it is coupled with the implied concept that if the rules don't explicitly forbid an action it CANNOT be defined as "cheating."
In the end, what amuses/bores me is that some Patriot fans cannot abide by the notion that some other fans consider Jesus' favorite football team to be cheaters.
As a fan of a team that hasn't been to the Super Bowl since 1984, I say to all those fans: grow a pair and enjoy your Super Bowl rings.
Stop running about trying to put out every fire. If, as you repeatedly claim, every team in the NFL cheats than cheating is yet another thing that the Patriots are better at than virtually every team in the NFL. Why is that a problem?
A team that allows "solid" evidence to exist of their cheating ways aren't winners - they are idiots. Stating that "solid" evidence must exist before the label of "cheater" can be applied creates an impossible standard, especially when it is coupled with the implied concept that if the rules don't explicitly forbid an action it CANNOT be defined as "cheating."
In the end, what amuses/bores me is that some Patriot fans cannot abide by the notion that some other fans consider Jesus' favorite football team to be cheaters.
As a fan of a team that hasn't been to the Super Bowl since 1984, I say to all those fans: grow a pair and enjoy your Super Bowl rings.
Stop running about trying to put out every fire. If, as you repeatedly claim, every team in the NFL cheats than cheating is yet another thing that the Patriots are better at than virtually every team in the NFL. Why is that a problem?
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Now it's a proven fact that they are cheaters because no one can prove they cheated? Certainly an interesting threshold...
If they did even 10% of the things that have been claimed, seems like it would be easy for SOMEONE to prove SOMETHING, no? Lot of people in the organization, seems pretty impossible that there's not ONE pissed off ex-employee that could sink them.
Now it's a proven fact that they are cheaters because no one can prove they cheated? Certainly an interesting threshold...
If they did even 10% of the things that have been claimed, seems like it would be easy for SOMEONE to prove SOMETHING, no? Lot of people in the organization, seems pretty impossible that there's not ONE pissed off ex-employee that could sink them.
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And sorry your team's a loser, but doesn't mean that the only reason you haven't won multiple championships since then is that the mean old Patriots are bugging your footie pajamas to get an edge. There's maybe another explanation.
And I AM enjoying our rings, and the sweet salty tears of the haters. But you can't get all high and mighty and tell us to stop licking our wounds while you're continuing to attempt to stab us. Why not look at why people are starting all the fires you're talking about instead of bitching about fans trying to put them out? Kind of entertaining 'blame the victim' approach, rarely works, but give it a try...
And sorry your team's a loser, but doesn't mean that the only reason you haven't won multiple championships since then is that the mean old Patriots are bugging your footie pajamas to get an edge. There's maybe another explanation.
And I AM enjoying our rings, and the sweet salty tears of the haters. But you can't get all high and mighty and tell us to stop licking our wounds while you're continuing to attempt to stab us. Why not look at why people are starting all the fires you're talking about instead of bitching about fans trying to put them out? Kind of entertaining 'blame the victim' approach, rarely works, but give it a try...
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
Oh sweet Baby Rays barbecue sauce... you can't have it both ways. You can't say 'no should care if the Patriots cheat because all teams cheat' then get mad when someone says your Patriots are cheaters. YOU have repeatedly said that all teams cheat, so by definition that makes the Patriots cheaters.
Agreeing with you doesn't make me a crybaby, a whiner, or bitchy.
Sure all the teams in NFL cheat. Look at how many holds aren't called, or how many dirty plays are caught on camera, but never punished. Its difficult to believe that the Saints were the first team to set up a "bounty" system for hits, they were just the first team to get CAUGHT.
Just like in NASCAR, if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin'.
That's a known fact, and I wish the Dolphins were better at cheating. I never blamed the Patriots for our failures, that's on us, and attempting to attack my posts by accusing me of being a whiny crybaby and blaming the big evil Patriots for all our woes is hilarious.
So, again - you can't have it both ways. You can't set up an impossible standard for proof, then claim that people are evil little weasels because they don't hold to your standard of evidence.
You can't claim the "all teams cheat" line of defense, then get mad because someone agrees with you.
You can't be a winning team AND expect all people to love you and never call you bad names.
That's the way it goes.
Oh sweet Baby Rays barbecue sauce... you can't have it both ways. You can't say 'no should care if the Patriots cheat because all teams cheat' then get mad when someone says your Patriots are cheaters. YOU have repeatedly said that all teams cheat, so by definition that makes the Patriots cheaters.
Agreeing with you doesn't make me a crybaby, a whiner, or bitchy.
Sure all the teams in NFL cheat. Look at how many holds aren't called, or how many dirty plays are caught on camera, but never punished. Its difficult to believe that the Saints were the first team to set up a "bounty" system for hits, they were just the first team to get CAUGHT.
Just like in NASCAR, if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin'.
That's a known fact, and I wish the Dolphins were better at cheating. I never blamed the Patriots for our failures, that's on us, and attempting to attack my posts by accusing me of being a whiny crybaby and blaming the big evil Patriots for all our woes is hilarious.
So, again - you can't have it both ways. You can't set up an impossible standard for proof, then claim that people are evil little weasels because they don't hold to your standard of evidence.
You can't claim the "all teams cheat" line of defense, then get mad because someone agrees with you.
You can't be a winning team AND expect all people to love you and never call you bad names.
That's the way it goes.
Re: The Assassination of Brady's Legacy By the Fat Coward Deflator McN
Shit, imagine how I feel. My team, the Redskins, are known to cheat more than the Pats OR Dolphins and they STILL can't get anything right!
If we wanted only those who are Pure of Heart™, we'd all be Arizona, Jacksonville or KC fans and the rest of the League would crumble into dust!
Shit, imagine how I feel. My team, the Redskins, are known to cheat more than the Pats OR Dolphins and they STILL can't get anything right!
If we wanted only those who are Pure of Heart™, we'd all be Arizona, Jacksonville or KC fans and the rest of the League would crumble into dust!
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As a Steeler fan, I'm glad Brady will play the first game. I would have hated to beat a "Bradyless" team, then have them come back all pissed off later in the play-offs.
Now we get the pissed off Brady Thursday
As a Steeler fan, I'm glad Brady will play the first game. I would have hated to beat a "Bradyless" team, then have them come back all pissed off later in the play-offs.
Now we get the pissed off Brady Thursday
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