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^Well, that's a given, as the Colts got their asses kicked.
--Sran
^Well, that's a given, as the Colts got their asses kicked.
--Sran
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Never charged, never convicted.
Dumb ass? Yes
Did he cheat and stiff arm the NFL? - Nope.
Has he straightened himself up? Yup.
We'll see if Bell-i-cheat and Brady can do the same.
Never charged, never convicted.
Dumb ass? Yes
Did he cheat and stiff arm the NFL? - Nope.
Has he straightened himself up? Yup.
We'll see if Bell-i-cheat and Brady can do the same.
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Brady probably did it, but I don't see how they can justify a suspension without definitive proof.
Also, from now on every NFL suspension has to get measured on the Ray Rice scale of punishment severity.
So now we know that unproven cheating for a mild advantage in a game they won by 40 points is worth TWO video taped wife beatings.
Anyway, Yankees fans shouldn't be gloating over this. Winning for years with the biggest cheater in the league while having twice the median payroll (Which is far bigger an unfair advantage). I see your Bellicheat and raise you an A-Fraud, I bet you all celebrated when the guy tied Willie Mays too.
Brady probably did it, but I don't see how they can justify a suspension without definitive proof.
Also, from now on every NFL suspension has to get measured on the Ray Rice scale of punishment severity.
So now we know that unproven cheating for a mild advantage in a game they won by 40 points is worth TWO video taped wife beatings.
Anyway, Yankees fans shouldn't be gloating over this. Winning for years with the biggest cheater in the league while having twice the median payroll (Which is far bigger an unfair advantage). I see your Bellicheat and raise you an A-Fraud, I bet you all celebrated when the guy tied Willie Mays too.
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I don't think you can lump this punishment with the off the field stuff.
Different balls of wax.
I don't think you can lump this punishment with the off the field stuff.
Different balls of wax.
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It could be worse. He could have distributed steroids to his teammates.
It could be worse. He could have distributed steroids to his teammates.
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So if the game was unaffected, that means there was no competitive edge, which is what cheating is supposed to do. If that is the case I'm more confused about the outrage which led to the punishment (not to mention the egg on the face the NFL already has with "other" punishment).
So if the game was unaffected, that means there was no competitive edge, which is what cheating is supposed to do. If that is the case I'm more confused about the outrage which led to the punishment (not to mention the egg on the face the NFL already has with "other" punishment).
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Welcome to the world that is NFL discipline. It may not make sense, it may have NO logic, but my god you better not make the shield or Roger Goodell look bad or hypocritical, or you're hosed.
Oh, and also don't become a dominant team in a salary cap era. That will get you punished as well.
Welcome to the world that is NFL discipline. It may not make sense, it may have NO logic, but my god you better not make the shield or Roger Goodell look bad or hypocritical, or you're hosed.
Oh, and also don't become a dominant team in a salary cap era. That will get you punished as well.
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Brady has probably made the NFL more money than any player in the history of football. Goodell and the league are not out to get Tom Brady.
That being said, it's incredibly amusing to me that Brady was the named plaintiff in the class action lawsuit which created the grievance procedure that's about to fuck him.
Brady has probably made the NFL more money than any player in the history of football. Goodell and the league are not out to get Tom Brady.
That being said, it's incredibly amusing to me that Brady was the named plaintiff in the class action lawsuit which created the grievance procedure that's about to fuck him.
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^Meanwhile, Aaron Hernandez has been indicted again. Is there a stupider human being on this planet? How many people has this guy killed/shot/threatened/beaten? I would never wish harm on anyone, but I can't say I'd be surprised if Hernandez ends up catching a shiv in the back.
--Sran
^Meanwhile, Aaron Hernandez has been indicted again. Is there a stupider human being on this planet? How many people has this guy killed/shot/threatened/beaten? I would never wish harm on anyone, but I can't say I'd be surprised if Hernandez ends up catching a shiv in the back.
--Sran
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The fine is way too high. 4 times what they were fined for spygate. I agree that the fine and the draft pick are out of place. I think the suspension is appropriate though.
http://time.com/3854906/tom-brady-nfl-suspension-deflategate-patriots/
The fine is way too high. 4 times what they were fined for spygate. I agree that the fine and the draft pick are out of place. I think the suspension is appropriate though.
http://time.com/3854906/tom-brady-nfl-suspension-deflategate-patriots/
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I think the suspension will get knocked down to two games after the appeal process, but damn. The draft picks and fine seem way over the top if Belichick and Kraft really had no idea about any of this.
I read an article earlier tonight that suggested Brady's best way to get back at Goodell would be to just retire. Screw that. The best way to get back is to sit out the suspension, then come back and win the whole damn thing all over again.
I think the suspension will get knocked down to two games after the appeal process, but damn. The draft picks and fine seem way over the top if Belichick and Kraft really had no idea about any of this.
I read an article earlier tonight that suggested Brady's best way to get back at Goodell would be to just retire. Screw that. The best way to get back is to sit out the suspension, then come back and win the whole damn thing all over again.
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Yeah, can't figure this out. The draft picks in particular. Report goes out of it's way to say Pats and Belichick didn't know. Result: 1st rounder and 4th rounder.
Was 2 2nd rounders for a culture of paying people to intentionally injure players. 5th rounder for pumping in crowd noise so the other team couldn't make audibles. 25k fine only for being caught on tape tampering with the balls (placing under the heater to warm/dry/swell them up.
But with the Pats, the report insists the ref must have used a different gauge than the one he remembered, and then says that means it probably had air let out, and Brady may have been generally aware of that. 1st, 4th, $1M, and 4 games? Just stupid.
That it's any games is dumb, but if it had to be one maybe two for him not cooperating, and general shady behavior by the other two guys, ok. And will likely be reduced to that after appeal. But the money and draft picks just don't make any sense, and are the worst punishment ever handed out by NFL. Is this the worst thing they've seen?
Yeah, can't figure this out. The draft picks in particular. Report goes out of it's way to say Pats and Belichick didn't know. Result: 1st rounder and 4th rounder.
Was 2 2nd rounders for a culture of paying people to intentionally injure players. 5th rounder for pumping in crowd noise so the other team couldn't make audibles. 25k fine only for being caught on tape tampering with the balls (placing under the heater to warm/dry/swell them up.
But with the Pats, the report insists the ref must have used a different gauge than the one he remembered, and then says that means it probably had air let out, and Brady may have been generally aware of that. 1st, 4th, $1M, and 4 games? Just stupid.
That it's any games is dumb, but if it had to be one maybe two for him not cooperating, and general shady behavior by the other two guys, ok. And will likely be reduced to that after appeal. But the money and draft picks just don't make any sense, and are the worst punishment ever handed out by NFL. Is this the worst thing they've seen?
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The picks and fine can be justified by the fact that the Patriots have been in trouble with the league before in "integrity of the game" situations. In fact, both scandals are very similar in that regard: You don't gain that much, so don't try to break the rules in the first place.
Even absent direct culpability at the top, lack of institutional control is something the NFL can consider (the organization is the Patriots; they consist of more than the people at the top). And it has to be more than what they got for spygate - it's a second offense. They were punished previously and now do something again. It's not crazy to look at it and go "clearly that first punishment wasn't enough."
As for Tom Brady. My prediction was two games. I don't think off the field stuff and onfield cheating stuff can be usefully compared. Most off the field stuff can result in criminal prosecutions and won't affect the competitiveness of the game. Cheating, on the other hand, directly affects the game itself. If anything, the NFL's authority to punish is strongest when it comes to breaking those rules. On the other hand, Tom Brady seems more guilty of lack of cooperation than anything directly damning. He was in a position to provide them with information that would refute their suspicions and didn't. Since this isn't a criminal proceeding, that lack of defense was taken into account. Given the circumstantial evidence, it was enough to find by a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved, but it's hardly damning. That's why four seems a touch high while I still suspected some suspension.
The picks and fine can be justified by the fact that the Patriots have been in trouble with the league before in "integrity of the game" situations. In fact, both scandals are very similar in that regard: You don't gain that much, so don't try to break the rules in the first place.
Even absent direct culpability at the top, lack of institutional control is something the NFL can consider (the organization is the Patriots; they consist of more than the people at the top). And it has to be more than what they got for spygate - it's a second offense. They were punished previously and now do something again. It's not crazy to look at it and go "clearly that first punishment wasn't enough."
As for Tom Brady. My prediction was two games. I don't think off the field stuff and onfield cheating stuff can be usefully compared. Most off the field stuff can result in criminal prosecutions and won't affect the competitiveness of the game. Cheating, on the other hand, directly affects the game itself. If anything, the NFL's authority to punish is strongest when it comes to breaking those rules. On the other hand, Tom Brady seems more guilty of lack of cooperation than anything directly damning. He was in a position to provide them with information that would refute their suspicions and didn't. Since this isn't a criminal proceeding, that lack of defense was taken into account. Given the circumstantial evidence, it was enough to find by a preponderance of the evidence that he was involved, but it's hardly damning. That's why four seems a touch high while I still suspected some suspension.
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I'd agree with you completely...if they had been caught videotaping people. Then it's second offense, obviously didn't learn, etc. Doesn't it matter that these, you know, aren't the same "crime"? You don't get 30 days in jail for jaywalking just because you had a speeding ticket a few years ago. How many years will Belichick get suspended now if the Pats get accused of tampering or something? Or is it a 3rd strike situation and he's banned for life?
And that the two "crimes" were 8 years apart should factor a little into your repeat offender narrative, no?
Chargers got fined 20k, no suspensions or picks, when they were caught rubbing stickup all over the balls. No similarities?
Won't even get into the argument that Spygate wasn't the big deal everyone thought, groupthink has smashed all the reasoning out of that line of argument. But just like that one, it would have been nice if the NFL spent 2 seconds looking around the league first before handing out the heavy punishment. If the Pats are truly the only ones doing this, and it's a big deal, punish away. If it turns out that it's extremely common, and no one (including the NFL) cared until the Colts made it a big deal, you temper things and make it a point of emphasis going forward. Let's stop trying to publically execute the Pats for speeding while cars are zipping by...
I'd agree with you completely...if they had been caught videotaping people. Then it's second offense, obviously didn't learn, etc. Doesn't it matter that these, you know, aren't the same "crime"? You don't get 30 days in jail for jaywalking just because you had a speeding ticket a few years ago. How many years will Belichick get suspended now if the Pats get accused of tampering or something? Or is it a 3rd strike situation and he's banned for life?
And that the two "crimes" were 8 years apart should factor a little into your repeat offender narrative, no?
Chargers got fined 20k, no suspensions or picks, when they were caught rubbing stickup all over the balls. No similarities?
Won't even get into the argument that Spygate wasn't the big deal everyone thought, groupthink has smashed all the reasoning out of that line of argument. But just like that one, it would have been nice if the NFL spent 2 seconds looking around the league first before handing out the heavy punishment. If the Pats are truly the only ones doing this, and it's a big deal, punish away. If it turns out that it's extremely common, and no one (including the NFL) cared until the Colts made it a big deal, you temper things and make it a point of emphasis going forward. Let's stop trying to publically execute the Pats for speeding while cars are zipping by...
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Brady's balls are perfect.
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Well, love him or hate him, one thing everyone can agree on...
Brady's balls are perfect.
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And cheat even harder.This is just going to piss off the Pats some more, and make them work even harder to win the SB again next year!
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