Oooh, hell yeah! Didn't even think of that!
The Ahsoka series is coming.
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Oooh, hell yeah! Didn't even think of that!
What, and she did bugger all to help Luke and co. against the Empire? I admit its in character of her but I'm not a fan. Them meeting should be a big deal.
I don't see how that works. She could have confirmed that Anakin was Darth Vader before Luke asked Yoda in RotJ. If he already knew, why ask?
"Sir, I'm going to need you to get all the way off my back about why Luke visited Yoda in ROTJ."
"Okay, let me get off of that thing."
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Ahsoka could have been doing.. Something else important. Hell the show might cover it.
Wasn't there a younger ahsoka cast?
Wasn't there a younger ahsoka cast?
The origin behind the theory was an attempt to explain Luke's huge jump in ability between films.
There's a common assumption that she was off leading a different mission-critical sortie away from Endor, in a sort of 'don't put the two best eggs in the same basket' to borrow a timely platitude. That wouldn't change.
I mean, given all we now know, it's very plausible (if not likely) she and Leia knew each other or at least ran into each other. I'm sure Bail had some cover story ready in case they did. And Leia could have been the one to introduce them.
As it stands now, she didn't anyway. So what's your point?
There's a common assumption that she was off leading a different mission-critical sortie away from Endor, in a sort of 'don't put the two best eggs in the same basket' to borrow a timely platitude. That wouldn't change.
Says who?
Not really. It makes more sense for her to be vague and not imply anything specific about who she is. All Luke needs to know is she used to be a Jedi. And she could even be vague about that.
I mean, given all we now know, it's very plausible (if not likely) she and Leia knew each other or at least ran into each other. I'm sure Bail had some cover story ready in case they did. And Leia could have been the one to introduce them.
He did.
Yeah Vader DID kill her. The only reason she's alive is Ezra and the World Between Worlds.
At the end of season 2 of Rebels, Vader beat her and killed her. Ezra saves her in season 4, two years later or so, but then she has to make her own way off Malachor, long after Vader and any other survivors from the fight with Maul had left, and that was just before A New Hope so we have no idea how long she was there.
At the end of season 2 of Rebels, Vader beat her and killed her. Ezra saves her in season 4, two years later or so, but then she has to make her own way off Malachor, long after Vader and any other survivors from the fight with Maul had left, and that was just before A New Hope so we have no idea how long she was there.
Which, obviously, was intentional obfuscation of Filoni's part since he had no idea if and when he was going to be able to use her again.
I believe one of the people who first came up with the theory (I can't remember where I first read about it.) suggested that the explosion of the kyber crystal that broke her free -- in a sort of Zod/PZ way.
I believe one of the people who first came up with the theory (I can't remember where I first read about it.) suggested that the explosion of the kyber crystal that broke her free -- in a sort of Zod/PZ way.
No, we saw that she survived the duel in the same episode that they dueled. She returned to the "real world" from The World Between Worlds at the same moment she left it. The characters thought that she was dead, but we, the viewers, knew that she survived right from the start.
Damn, that trailer was awesome. So much in there to get me excited.
HERA!!
SABINE!!
CHOPPER!!!!
My best guess for the red saber wielding baddies are surviving Inquisitors.
I know we've seen them before, but it's always fun to see Lothcats pop up.
We even got a glimpse of Thrawn!
HERA!!
SABINE!!
CHOPPER!!!!
My best guess for the red saber wielding baddies are surviving Inquisitors.
I know we've seen them before, but it's always fun to see Lothcats pop up.
We even got a glimpse of Thrawn!
Ahsoka the Grey "...is no Jedi"...but what about Ahsoka the White? I feel Ahsoka will accept that she is Jedi again via all these trials...and maybe some final words with her Master, Anakin Skywalker...Force Ghost.
Though I've seen suggestions that they do have an actor to play a younger Ahsoka, so I also hope for some Clone Wars flashbacks with Hayden and Ewan. Just to make everything that much more "real" for the non-cartoon watching audience. Maybe even Tamura as Rex.
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I can't quite tell, but the shuttle landing on some ship just before Ahsoka say "as Heir to the Empire" looks like a Republic shuttle to me...like a Clone Wars era Eta-class shuttle.
Though I've seen suggestions that they do have an actor to play a younger Ahsoka, so I also hope for some Clone Wars flashbacks with Hayden and Ewan. Just to make everything that much more "real" for the non-cartoon watching audience. Maybe even Tamura as Rex.
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I can't quite tell, but the shuttle landing on some ship just before Ahsoka say "as Heir to the Empire" looks like a Republic shuttle to me...like a Clone Wars era Eta-class shuttle.
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As far as where Ahsoka was and what she did after Malachor and throughout the events of the OT goes; it's a fair bet that most of that time was probably spent searching for Ezra. She literally promised him she'd come and find him when she got back. Of course she had to lay low for a few years since from her conversation with Ezra she'd know literally everyone thought she was dead. Nothing new there, and it's a situation she's had practice taking advantage of before.
By the time she got back to Lothal, the planet was likely free and Ezra already gone which is when her search may have begun. She could have spent a full decade scouring wild space and the unknown regions, looking for clues to where the purrgil may have dropped off the Chimera.
As for when she met Luke; I think if it happens between tESB & RotJ that creates more narrative problems than it solves, so probably best that it happens much closer to the Mando era. Maybe even after Luke takes custody of Grogu.
Ironically, Luke has a similar out for where he might be at this point. we know he spent years searching the galaxy for lost Jedi relics and lore. It's entirely possible that after Grogu left, so did he. Leaving the new temple on Ossus behind for now to go in search of more knowledge and perhaps new padawans. So there's no reason to expect Ahsoka to involve him in these events.
And yes, this is not an alternate timeline thing, it's a "it always happened" thing. We saw her go down into the temple the first time; Vader never killed her. He would have. Probably thinks he did. But he did not. Though one has to wonder between this and what happened on the Death Star with Kenobi, his gotta start to wonder what the hell is going on with bodies up and vanishing into this air right as he cuts them in half . . .
By the time she got back to Lothal, the planet was likely free and Ezra already gone which is when her search may have begun. She could have spent a full decade scouring wild space and the unknown regions, looking for clues to where the purrgil may have dropped off the Chimera.
As for when she met Luke; I think if it happens between tESB & RotJ that creates more narrative problems than it solves, so probably best that it happens much closer to the Mando era. Maybe even after Luke takes custody of Grogu.
Ironically, Luke has a similar out for where he might be at this point. we know he spent years searching the galaxy for lost Jedi relics and lore. It's entirely possible that after Grogu left, so did he. Leaving the new temple on Ossus behind for now to go in search of more knowledge and perhaps new padawans. So there's no reason to expect Ahsoka to involve him in these events.
Not to split hairs (especially since it doesn't change the larger point) but she actually arrived some time after she left. When she comes too, the explosion has already happened, and Vader has had time to extract himself from the temple, get back to the surface and start limping off somewhere. Given that Ezra was also gone for basically the same amount of time that he experienced in the WBW, it's a fair bet the same holds true for her.
And yes, this is not an alternate timeline thing, it's a "it always happened" thing. We saw her go down into the temple the first time; Vader never killed her. He would have. Probably thinks he did. But he did not. Though one has to wonder between this and what happened on the Death Star with Kenobi, his gotta start to wonder what the hell is going on with bodies up and vanishing into this air right as he cuts them in half . . .
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Yep, it was a closed time loop, we saw her walk away before the events of The World Between Worlds had happened in the original timeline. The timeline in which Vader had presumably killed wasn't given a chance to occur (unless you put in timelines converging into a loop, which is both too much for Star Wars and not necessitated by the way it was done and her decision to hide). It was a very bold episode ending, because one watching it must have been really confused. For how many people did the Mandela effect turn the confusing ending into a false memory that Vader had somehow killed her, exactly?
Luke and Ahsoka had opportunity for chance encounters anywhere as early as ANH, and though I hope they didn't meet, it doesn't necessarily amount to anything. I rewatched “Fire Across the Galaxy” to imagine how such an encounter would go, since Luke would be an Ezra just half a decade later, at least until Ahsoka learns what his surname is – or if Bail ever shared anything of him protecting the twins (I don't remember him doing so). But that might only make Ahsoka more reserved to say anything specific. So a couple of words exchanged, ending with Ahsoka telling Luke she's not a Jedi.
I think she's certainly met Leia, though.
ETA: I read about Mary Elizabeth Winstead's casting, commented on it positively, and I still felt a pinch of disappointment when I noticed Hera in the trailer isn't played by Vanessa Marshall. There's just no pleasing some people.
Luke and Ahsoka had opportunity for chance encounters anywhere as early as ANH, and though I hope they didn't meet, it doesn't necessarily amount to anything. I rewatched “Fire Across the Galaxy” to imagine how such an encounter would go, since Luke would be an Ezra just half a decade later, at least until Ahsoka learns what his surname is – or if Bail ever shared anything of him protecting the twins (I don't remember him doing so). But that might only make Ahsoka more reserved to say anything specific. So a couple of words exchanged, ending with Ahsoka telling Luke she's not a Jedi.
I think she's certainly met Leia, though.
ETA: I read about Mary Elizabeth Winstead's casting, commented on it positively, and I still felt a pinch of disappointment when I noticed Hera in the trailer isn't played by Vanessa Marshall. There's just no pleasing some people.
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While we're waiting for the panel to start leaking out, I went back through the trailer to see what else can be gleamed: -
- Looking at these ruins again, I'm not so sure they're Jedi. Or if they are, they're REALLY old. For one thing the script isn't the usual McQuarrie inspired "old tongue" of the late Old Republic era. For another: some of those statues are barefoot. I don't know, that dosen't feel like any Jedi we've seen before. Possible tie-in to 'Dawn fo the Jedi' perhaps?
- Note that there are more than one "World Between World" sites in the trailer; the underground one Ahsoka breaks into, and the seemingly still funcitonal one where she duels Baylan (note that the latter is actually on a hilltop like the Tython temple ruins, not underground.)
- Speaking of Baylan, I think I can now confidently say he's almost certainly a (former?) Jedi since not only is his side-kick sporting Jedi issue gear, I also just notice she has a padawan braid! Also of passing note is that her blade seems to be a shoto (though that may be a stunt thing) and the hilt looks not entirely unlike Kanan's style with the high guard emitter.
- All that plus the aforementioned not-red sabers, and the grey & brown robes really sells the whole "fallen Jedi" angle. (First person to suggest "Grey Jedi" gets a clip around the earhole.)
- Sabine's kneeling pose seems a little odd without context. Almost reverent. Could just be that she's just repainting her helmet again. Also shades of Kanan's ceremonial hair cutting scene. Indeed given she has long hair here, while it's very closely cropped in the coda, so that may be exactly what's about to happen.
- Also noticed that her Rising Phoenix mural that was painted in the Ghost's common room is also painted on the wall here in what is probably her home on Lothal.
- The Lothcat looks to be a practical puppet this time and distinctly different from the CG one in 'The Mandalorian'. More floofy too in a persian kinda way.
- Sabine's flight jacket has her Phonenix Squadron patch on the right shoulder, and some diamond shaped patches on the left breast I don't recognise. Unit/campaign badges maybe? (Scarif/Hoth/Endor respectivly?)
- Whatever they're stealing from Coronet it's pretty big (literally!) What would be worth that trouble, and why would General Syndulla and the founder of Alliance Intelligence herself be so particularly determined to stop the theft? Old Imperial computer core? A hyperdrive? Something the NR didn't even realise they had just sitting there waiting to be melted down?
- Oh and for those unaware; this design for Hera's jacket first showed up in a Lego animated show (and later 'Squadrons') . . . so probably the first ever Lego Star Wars to live action adaptation? Of note though; the jacket itself and the patches are all noticeably different. The Lego/Squadrons version didn't have the shee-uh-nerfskin lining, nor the Ghost's nose-art loud and proud on the the back. Said nose-art was instead on the left shoulder patch, while this one has what seems like an inverted Open Circle Fleet patch. It looks newish so that's probably her command. It also didn't have a right shoulder patch at all, while this one does, even if we can't quite see it (likely an Alliance or NR starbird, or the old Phoenix Squadron patch just like on Sabine's flight jacket.)
- I don't know why I find it amusing that there's a bunch of Corellian dockworkers just standing around gawping at Ahsoka and an Inquisitor duelling, but I do.
Still unclear what she knew and when, but in the Ahsoka novel he tried very carefully feeling her out to see what if anything she knew about Leia (note: she was a little over a year old at the time.) Since Ahsoka was still very much in the dark on that, he opted to keep it that way at least for now. Understandable that this is something he'd trust to nobody he didn't have to. Also a "good enough for me" justification for why he turned to Obi-Wan first instead of Ahsoka when Leia was kidnapped.
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Kevin Kiner is doing the score
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They got to see a different cut of yesterday’s trailer
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They got to see a different cut of yesterday’s trailer
