The Admiral Clancy Character

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by JConn, Nov 23, 2020.

  1. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I have a theory that the costuming department had a surplus on three boxed pips which is why so many of the Admirals we see are Vice Admirals.
     
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  2. CorporalCaptain

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    I was fine with Admiral Clancy the way she was. I would have liked to have seen more of her. Maybe she can come back in S2.
     
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  3. Agony_Boothb

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    Admiral Clancy was great and 100% right to tell Picard to go fuck himself after he very publicly called out Starfleet and then had the nerve to demand their help.
     
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  4. Reanok

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    In Una McCormack's Picard novel Last best Hope you get to read quite a bit of Admiral Clancy's backstory with Picard dealing with the Romulan Evacuations and the scenes explain why she reacts to him as she does in the tv series the way did makes sense.I didn't blame her for being angry with Picard for acting so arrogant that he should be able to get a ship after bashing the Federation and Starfleet to look for Soji .I don't want to give away spoilers but the book is really good.
     
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  5. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Perhaps, but as I said, Janeway simply struck me as someone who wanted to be an Admiral more than other captains have.

    True, Picard did make flag rank as well, but he probably wasn't as gung-ho about it. It wouldn't surprise me if he did so more reluctantly, perhaps out of a perceived obligation to Starfleet. Indeed, wasn't the whole reason he ever made Admiral was so he could command the rescue mission to Romulus? Had the supernova never happened, he might still be captain of the Enterprise...
     
  6. fireproof78

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    Perhaps so. But, it is a huge annoyance to me and feels like an unnecessary leap for Janeway. 1 pip? Sure. 3 pip? No.
     
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  7. The Wormhole

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    I agree, though it does seem to be alarmingly normal in Star Trek. Kirk jumped to two-star Admiral in TMP, Picard jumped directly to four star, as did Pike in Trek XI.
     
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  8. C.E. Evans

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    I think flag ranks are different than the regular officer ranks. They may often be appointed by a higher-up, so it may not be uncommon for someone to go straight from captain to vice-admiral or even (full) admiral to fill a particular post.
     
  9. Shamrock Holmes

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    Given that even in the RW that applies to three and four star admirals (only one or two star ranks are substantive) that wouldn't be a big surprise.
     
  10. Sci

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    Well, I think the thing with Picard is that he didn't really want to become a flag officer. I think that scene in GEN where Kirk tells him, "Don't let them transfer you; don't let them promote you; don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship," was a moment that really did impact Picard profoundly. I think he wanted to stay a starship captain and only agreed to accept a promotion to admiral for the sake of running the Romulan Rescue efforts.

    I mean, I tend to think we shouldn't read too much into how many pips an admiral has since the costuming department made so many errors there over the years. But if we accept that she's at three stars...

    C'mon. She united two hostile crews, saved the galaxy from invasion from Species 8472, single-handedly (okay, double-handedly since her alternate future self got involved) dealt the biggest military blow to Borg forces in known interstellar history, explored a huge chunk of a an entirely quadrant of the galaxy where no Federate had gone before, made first contact with more new cultures than you can shake a fist at, and managed to safely guide Voyager home across 75,000 light-years. That's a monumental accomplishment and more than warrants getting promoted straight to Vice Admiral.
     
  11. The Old Mixer

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    I always thought that bit of business was redundant and more about Kirk than Picard. At that point Picard had already maintained a captain's rank and been commanding starships for decades. Kirk wouldn't know that, and Picard was too polite to contradict a surprisingly still-living legend.
     
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    I mean that's a fair point, but it is still frustrating. It's a minor quibble, one that barely impacts my enjoyment of the film. It's just there.
    Well, my initial posting was based on something that Christopher clarified because I thought Voyager was Janeway's first command, which apparently is contradicted in other episodes. So, I'll walk it back a little and recognize both the accomplishment and time in grade.
     
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  13. Sci

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    Kirk was certainly saying it for himself, to advise someone to avoid what he considered a mistake in his life. But I think Picard, having just lost his brother and nephew, might have considered moving on from the Enterprise -- or, rather, from starship command since the D was destroyed -- had Kirk not said that to him.
     
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    True, but I also think she'd get bored pretty soon.

    Neither do I. And the notion that she shouldn't be "dressing down" our favorite (coincidentally male) hero just because she is their superior and has the right to... I don't even want to get into that. Of course, many have the same issues with Clancy, whom I totally liked (and for the record, I love Picard).

    Also, I think it would be a waste to just have her in one or two cameos.

    Well, as with Clancy (imho), she wouldn't have to be unsympathetic. The story of someone like her (or even Necheyev) questioning her choices and Starfleet and coming around might have been interesting; however, it would have needed a lot more space than they had, so I'm fine with Clancy. Who, btw., originally was meant to lead the fleet to save our heroes. I would have liked that.
     
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  15. DEWLine

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    Her name is Alynna Necheyev.
     
  16. The Old Mixer

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    I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that was an innocent typo...
     
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    We write Russian names differently, so I often don't know how to write them. I'll correct it although I have no idea what the "not-innocent" thing would be.
     
  18. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    The last three letters might have been seen as a pejorative.
     
  19. ThreeEdgedSword

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    OH, got it. Hell, no.
     
  20. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I'm not following. :confused:
     
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