Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon

[CorporalClegg]

Nothing like what you have I'm sure,.

And yeah. Sadly, the city is kind of segregated, and the area I moved to last year has a much denser Hispanic pop than where I was before. And there's a market right down the road that sells fresh chips and pico de gallo. They put the chips in these big KFC-style buckets and they're piping hot. Absolutely wonderful.

 

[Amaris]

Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story

This is Star Trek now. There is not much you can do about it except abstain from watching and commenting on the new stuff.
Fortunately, your Star Trek DVDs cannot be taken from you, and you can enjoy the Trek you love and remember for years to come.

I wish you well.

 

[ProwlAlpha]

This is Star Trek now. There is not much you can do about it except abstain from watching and commenting on the new stuff.
Fortunately, your Star Trek DVDs cannot be taken from you, and you can enjoy the Trek you love and remember for years to come.

I wish you well.

I don't know, the Paramount Plus Polo Shirt Squad has been conducting raids in my area.

 

[IAmAParrot]

Thanks for your thoughts, did you join just to let us know that you don't like Star Trek because it doesn't fit with what you like.

I get it Star Trek is different now from when we had TNG/DS9/VOY and I still miss that, but time has moved on, Star Trek has changed possibly to match the times. Will it ever be the way it was back in the days of TNG/DS9/VOY, but its Star Trek and we should be grateful that we have something still going boldly.

I suspect you're right. Perhaps if we all could force paramount to understand they don't realize what they're doing, but have you ever tried to convince self deluded, arrogant, talentless peolle that they're wrong, and lack talent? Me neither


I guess I'll keep watching tos-ent over and over including the movies, yes even the final Frontier is better watch by a factor of ten million trillion trillion, than discovery.
Oh and my favorite movie is not TWoK, it's TUC

 

[cooleddie74]

I suspect you're right. Perhaps if we all could force paramount to understand they don't realize what they're doing, but have you ever tried to convince self deluded, arrogant, talentless peolle that they're wrong, and lack talent?

Nothing in this thread so far has worked.

 

[IAmAParrot]

What do you hope to accomplish by all these insulting, sweeping generalizations? Certainly not a rational discussion.



What on Earth are you talking about? What "pressure"? There are plenty of long standing members who have criticized NuTrek consistently, in a way that is respectful, and doesn't come across as a Manifesto.



You would "get right in their faces" and "push them down in their place"? Seriously?

From the board rules: No trolling. This means don't post stuff that you know will enrage someone in hopes of getting them to flame you back. This does NOT mean a contrary opinion.

I think you've gone way beyond a "contrary opinion" here.

Dial it back, skip the sweeping generalizations, or you'll receive a formal warning.

We should all cry together and cherish the days when sisko, Picard, janeway, and Kirk were in command. We should.cry together that star trek isnt what it used to.be, and how a parody version of trek aka the orville is much better.
Also, Vic Mignogna's Star Trek Continues, is just so good. That's how a modern trek should be set in mid 23rd century.

It's irrelevant that modern tech is better than the 60s, if you want to portray something BEFORE refit enterprise, you need the bridge to have lights and use tapes. Discovery writers were TOO stupid to understand this
ds9 didn't make this mistake when they made Trials and Tribbleations, so why do these new talentless writers not get it? Who cares if the 60s version of 2263 looks "outdated", for all we know that's how.its meant to be, it certainly is in the trek universe. When they changed this aspect. And then dared to RUIN the klingons, they went to far.

And Morn's species aren't ALL BALD. Wtf is wrong with these ignorant writers? Morn was bald because he swallowed 1000 bricks worth of Latinum and stored it in his second stomach for over a decade, its not because his species is bald. No one here would be this STUPID to make such a massive error.

A HALLMARK of a terrible, bad writer who has no idea wtf they're doing and doesn't know how to write a good story or character, is when they have more Easter eggs in one episode then they have a single good plot point. Easter eggs are just a cheap, talentless ways to force nostalgia and good feels, without earning it by creating a compelling narrative or character

 

[Amaris]

I don't know, the Paramount Plus Polo Shirt Squad has been conducting raids in my area.

They won't come down my street. The Hulu Gang owns this territory.

 

[1001001]

We should all cry together and cherish the days when sisko, Picard, janeway, and Kirk were in command. We should.cry together that star trek isnt what it used to.be, and how a parody version of trek aka the orville is much better.
Also, Vic Mignogna's Star Trek Continues, is just so good. That's how a modern trek should be set in mid 23rd century.

It's irrelevant that modern tech is better than the 60s, if you want to portray something BEFORE refit enterprise, you need the bridge to have lights and use tapes. Discovery writers were TOO stupid to understand this
ds9 didn't make this mistake when they made Trials and Tribbleations, so why do these new talentless writers not get it? Who cares if the 60s version of 2263 looks "outdated", for all we know that's how.its meant to be, it certainly is in the trek universe. When they changed this aspect. And then dared to RUIN the klingons, they went to far.

And Morn's species aren't ALL BALD. Wtf is wrong with these ignorant writers? Morn was bald because he swallowed 1000 bricks worth of Latinum and stored it in his second stomach for over a decade, its not because his species is bald. No one here would be this STUPID to make such a massive error.

A HALLMARK of a terrible, bad writer who has no idea wtf they're doing and doesn't know how to write a good story or character, is when they have more Easter eggs in one episode then they have a single good plot point. Easter eggs are just a cheap, talentless ways to force nostalgia and good feels, without earning it by creating a compelling narrative or character

I just want to point out to you (and everyone else) that while I disagree with everything you wrote here, this kind of posting is well within the rules.

Skip the “fans are brainwashed” and that kind of crap, and it’s fine. Like I said, a lot of people here don’t like NuTrek, or some of it at least (Picard is my least favorite Trek series, for example). Then again Discovery is one of my favorites and I have a feeling (hope) that SNW will be even more so.

There’s ton of diverse opinions here and they’re all welcome. Just please don’t come in so hot from now on.

Thanks

 

[Firebird]

Also, Vic Mignogna's Star Trek Continues, is just so good. That's how a modern trek should be set in mid 23rd century.

Look, I loved STC when it was being produced (these days less so thanks to Mignogna being a creep), even donating to the Kickstarters, but that ain't it, chief. It's a fanfilm, made to ape the styles of TOS and TNG. Its appeal is limited to a very, very small audience. Nothing about it is modern.

 

[Lord Garth]

I've seen Star Trek Continues. It's good for what it is, but I expect higher production values and better acting from official productions.

With very few exceptions, I'm also not much of a fan of prequels in general. Better Call Saul being a HUGE exception. Switching to the 32nd Century was the smartest thing Discovery did, and I say this as a fan of the series. I liked it even during the first two seasons, despite of the prequel setting, so that in and of itself is impressive. It never acted like a prequel, so it allowed me to forget it was. The things that people have hated about the show, in general, are what I've liked about it. So I feel like I'm not even remotely on the same page as a lot of people when it comes to that series. It was bound to happen eventually, with one of these shows.

 

[Sketcher]

Someone twenty years from now "I miss Kurtzman Trek. What we have now is garbage!" And so on, and so on.

In all honesty, sometimes trying to rewatch TOS or Berman-era Trek is a struggle. There are aspects of those eras that can be boring, ridiculous, and honestly kind of offensive to watch. It's all still part of the growing tapestry or whatever.

 

[Arpy]

@IAmAParrot, I get that you're missing older Trek – I do too – but I think both you as a poster on a bulletin board trying to communicate with fellow fans and the Trek you like and would like to see more of would be better served if you could say what you're feeling in a more all-around respectful way that might get people to think about what you're trying to say instead of immediately rejecting and/or rebelling against it.

I think this thread would be more interesting if we talked about the differences between TOS/TNG-ENT Trek and JJ/DSC-current Trek and what we might like to see more or less of in the future. One interesting thing about newer Trek is how different each series is from every other. This was a thing in the Berman era too but I think to a lesser extent. Point is, although there is less of the in-universe uniformity that some of us older fans might be accustomed to, there might also increasingly be something for everyone. And given that newer Trek is in fact different from older Trek, those who'd like more of the older stuff, versions of it anyway, might get it in future series and movies.

Also, I don't think it helps to expect newer shows to match exactly every element of older ones. Some of that is cute, is homage, but other stuff is silly. I don't think anyone making any Trek show thought they got the future 100% right and later series shouldn't try to make the best vision of the future that they might. TOS changed the Klingons the moment their budget permitted with TMP.

I'd especially be curious to hear from fans of newer series what they'd like to see more of from older ones. SNW is doing more episodic stories, and I really enjoy that. I'd like to see more high-concept sci-fi stuff too as well as the character and plot heavy storylines we're getting in serialization.

I loved the morality tale in SNW's premier episode, the directness of it showing [a hateful] us today heading toward destruction, as it used that as a warning for the aliens in the episode – a nuclear armageddon that in the real world I think we'd have little hope of coming back from BTW. That was BOLD, like a black woman on the command crew and bridge of the Enterprise in TOS during the chaos (and assassinations) during the Civil Rights era, ditto a Russian on the bridge at the height of the Cold War.

 

[Firebird]

In all honesty, sometimes trying to rewatch TOS or Berman-era Trek is a struggle. There are aspects of those eras that can be boring, ridiculous, and honestly kind of offensive to watch. It's all still part of the growing tapestry or whatever.

I watch a lot of classic movies, so I've trained myself to take in the old material as it is. And it's interesting from an anthropological aspect of seeing these windows into an earlier time in American pop culture.

 

[Lord Garth]

I was a kid in the '80s, so they still played a lot of reruns of shows from the '60s and '70s. Anything that's from the "color era" is something I grew up with. Black-and-white is a different story.

 

[F. King Daniel]

We should all cry together and cherish the days when sisko, Picard, janeway, and Kirk were in command. We should.cry together that star trek isnt what it used to.be, and how a parody version of trek aka the orville is much better.
Also, Vic Mignogna's Star Trek Continues, is just so good. That's how a modern trek should be set in mid 23rd century.

It's irrelevant that modern tech is better than the 60s, if you want to portray something BEFORE refit enterprise, you need the bridge to have lights and use tapes. Discovery writers were TOO stupid to understand this
ds9 didn't make this mistake when they made Trials and Tribbleations, so why do these new talentless writers not get it? Who cares if the 60s version of 2263 looks "outdated", for all we know that's how.its meant to be, it certainly is in the trek universe. When they changed this aspect. And then dared to RUIN the klingons, they went to far.

And Morn's species aren't ALL BALD. Wtf is wrong with these ignorant writers? Morn was bald because he swallowed 1000 bricks worth of Latinum and stored it in his second stomach for over a decade, its not because his species is bald. No one here would be this STUPID to make such a massive error.

A HALLMARK of a terrible, bad writer who has no idea wtf they're doing and doesn't know how to write a good story or character, is when they have more Easter eggs in one episode then they have a single good plot point. Easter eggs are just a cheap, talentless ways to force nostalgia and good feels, without earning it by creating a compelling narrative or character

You forgot

• PIKE SHOULD BE A SEXIST CREEP!
• KIRK MUST BE A PROBLEMATIC WOMANIZER!! (Alternately you can be part of the KIRK DID NOTHING WRONG crowd)
• THEY'RE FORCING REPRESENTATION DOWN OUR THROATS!!!

Speaking of problematic, look up Star Trek Continues' lead Vic Mignogna. It's badly tainted the series for me.

 

[Crazyewok]

That is not how you cleanse and purify yourself. To truly purify yourself, you must bathe in the sacred waters of the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant. Then, and only then, can you be a true Star Trek fan again.

This is the way!

 

[Crazyewok]

We should all cry together

Sounds like a episode of Discovery.

No thanks.

 

[IAmAParrot]

Someone twenty years from now "I miss Kurtzman Trek. What we have now is garbage!" And so on, and so on.

In all honesty, sometimes trying to rewatch TOS or Berman-era Trek is a struggle. There are aspects of those eras that can be boring, ridiculous, and honestly kind of offensive to watch. It's all still part of the growing tapestry or whatever.

This is the way!

Is this a prominent filming location of tng-ent?

I really am nostalgic.i miss the bygone days

 

[IAmAParrot]

You forgot

• PIKE SHOULD BE A SEXIST CREEP!
• KIRK MUST BE A PROBLEMATIC WOMANIZER!! (Alternately you can be part of the KIRK DID NOTHING WRONG crowd)
• THEY'RE FORCING REPRESENTATION DOWN OUR THROATS!!!

Speaking of problematic, look up Star Trek Continues' lead Vic Mignogna. It's badly tainted the series for me.

I understand. But I judge the show based on the show itself. If I had to judge a show based on the actions of a few or one of its stars behavior outside the show, there would be many things I would no longer watch.
Shatner and nimoy were bad yes at first, but changed. So did Robert Beltran. I was aware of vics "controversy" as it was happening.

 

[Tomalak]

I just want to point out to you (and everyone else) that while I disagree with everything you wrote here, this kind of posting is well within the rules.

Just curious, it's fine to make ad hominem attacks and repeatedly call people stupid and ignorant?