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Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon

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I suppose there's no true fan anymore.

What do you hope to accomplish by all these insulting, sweeping generalizations? Certainly not a rational discussion.

But look at all of you today. Peer pressured to like these shows just to fit in and get attention.

What on Earth are you talking about? What "pressure"? There are plenty of long standing members who have criticized NuTrek consistently, in a way that is respectful, and doesn't come across as a Manifesto.

I don't care if we lived in a world where people would laugh at me, throw me down the spire of commerce on ferenginar, or execute me, I'd STILL get right in the faces of those talentless hacks and push them down in their place

You would "get right in their faces" and "push them down in their place"? Seriously?

From the board rules: No trolling. This means don't post stuff that you know will enrage someone in hopes of getting them to flame you back. This does NOT mean a contrary opinion.

I think you've gone way beyond a "contrary opinion" here.

Dial it back, skip the sweeping generalizations, or you'll receive a formal warning.
 
Yeah I don’t get the peer pressure angle.

Example, I liked Discovery season 1 and 2, not big on Season 3+

people can like what they like without some conspiracy angle
 
The only thing resembling "peer pressure" I've seen is the gatekeeping over what constitutes Real Star Trek.

I still think Enterprise is a pretty sorry excuse for a TV show and significantly weaker than anything produced since 2017, but it still counts. I can't imagine ever considering someone a conformist sheep for liking it. There are even a couple of episodes I think are pretty good.

There used to be that guy who ignored everything that was produced after 1979. It's all good. Like whatever you want, no one's going to judge you.

Just don't be that guy policing other people's opinions.
 
It just comes from ego. A position of supreme imagined self importance where not only is their opinion their opinion, but because of how everyone should just think like them, their opinion is the most right one and should be dominant.

In this case it's manifesting as "I don't like the 2015+ era Star Trek, therefore I must make everyone not like it and conform to me"
 
It is funny that the OP thinks that the new series were made for old Trek fans. They weren't. Just like TNG to ENT wasn't made for TOS fans. Within the next twenty years, we will get another set of new Trek shows that will touch on the old fandom but made for the new fans. The only thing that will matter is Continuity Errors, the never-ending debate Starfleet is Military, and they will mostly conform the registry numbers but throw one in there to mess everything up. I am looking at you USS Lexington NCC-30405!
 
I guess I am religious about trek.

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Spock, is cheating on his future mate

False. Spock did not cheat on T'Pring in SNW S1.

being all emotional in disc and SNW,

This is consistent with "The Cage" and "The Menagerie," which both established that Spock was more emotionally demonstrative in the 2250s than he was during Kirk's tenure as captain.

because you can't accept the reality that our shows have truly been hijacked by talentless, inexperienced, arrogant hacks

I remember VOY Seasons Five, Six, and Seven and ENT Season Two, thanks.

I may not like Shatners antics sometimes either, but he lived and worked with Roddenberry..

I am aware of no evidence William Shatner ever lived with Gene Roddenberry. As far as I am aware, they were neither roommates nor lovers, only ever platonic work colleagues who never co-habitated.

he would be the first one to tell all of you that Roddenberry would find anything after st 2009 absolutely despicable,

Honestly I don't think that matters either way.

People have been complaining about how star wars sucks now or how the lord of the rings show sucks, and what do they get? They get blasted online, called "racist" or "sexist" with no basis in fact, all to shut them.

Love it when people play the "you're gonna call me racist/sexist for no reason" card. It always lets me call bingo and sometimes I win a slushy for it.
 
Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?
That is not how you cleanse and purify yourself. To truly purify yourself, you must bathe in the sacred waters of the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant. Then, and only then, can you be a true Star Trek fan again.
 
It is funny that the OP thinks that the new series were made for old Trek fans. They weren't. Just like TNG to ENT wasn't made for TOS fans. Within the next twenty years, we will get another set of new Trek shows that will touch on the old fandom but made for the new fans. The only thing that will matter is Continuity Errors, the never-ending debate Starfleet is Military, and they will mostly conform the registry numbers but throw one in there to mess everything up. I am looking at you USS Lexington NCC-30405!

“New Trek sucks! Bring back the golden years of Disco, SNW, and Starfleet Academy!”
 
Seriously this is trek now? I was sort of into picard season 3, a bit, in the beginning. then it turned into pure ridiculousness.

Am i the ONLY one that right after watching an episode of picard, I have to quickly go watch a random episode of ds9/voy and sometimes TNG, to CLEANSE and PURIFY myself?

God (which i dont even believe in), when i watch newtrek, i want to hurt myself, and when I go back to the early seasons of ds9/voy, and listen to the wise words of Janeway or Sisko, i feel so much better insantly.

This new generation have NO talent or skills at all. They fail upwards all the time. They dont understand trek. Any one of us here, had we been tasked to create a new trek, especially if it included LEGACY characters, we would create beautiful masterpieces. Wonderful episodic episode mixed with some serialized aspects like ds9 or voyager. I just cant stand this anymore.

Although lower decks, even though I dont like it, people enjoy it. the ONLY new trek i like is Prodigy. Its not just because voyager is my favorite trek, but because the characters are kids learning to become wise, whereas in disc or snow, its adults acting like spoiled teens or douchebag college kids acting all arrogant and conceited, which shows theyre just inexperienced and insecure. Prodigy also has a much better original villain, and janeway in prodigy, is the same old janeway in voyager, as is chakotay. thats how it should be, at least for a kids show.

I know im the millionth person talking "bad" about nutrek, but give me a break. How are the people of this new generation SO AWFUL and TERRIBLE at writing, creating beautiful plotlines and stories?

Im no star wars fan but even they are saying its bad. LoTR are saying the new show is bad. All the kids born after like 1999 who are in these jobs, SUCK. they are AWFUL, and the internet/social media generation has ruined everything. when kids grow up watching youtube and tiktok or snapchat, they consider GARBAGE like that, their inspiration. Whereas before, people were inspired by tv and movies which was DIFFICULT to get into, and cost so much money that they only hired the best, now, anyone can be a "writer", produce trash, and get interviewed by like minded talentless hacks who all say "wow, this is the best show/movie ever, and way better than previous generations of writers could have made it". the delusion of these young "writers" is astonishing.

And so many themes are always about someone being depressed, or alone. Back then, these topics were rare, but if they were done, they did it so beautifully. today, everyone in every show is "alone", and they have disgusting personalities (a lack of persoanlity if we are being honest), and we are supposed to feel bad for them because theyre "lonely" or have "mental issues", and its prominent everywhere. No doubt the actual writer's or producer's OWN feelings are SHOVED into EVERYTHING they "produce", nothing like how it was back then when actual PROFESSIONALS didnt mix their feelings with their business.

SO yea, we will all consider disc, snw, and picard, to be NOT CANON, and if you want, you can include LD and or Prodigy on the list as well.

Cleanse yourselves everywhere. binge watch ds9/voy/tng again, heck, I even love Enterprise, because as much as it was hated back then, when you watch it now, the spirit of rodenberry is still in that show. the new shows arent star trek in ANY WAY.

Ill even consider books canon if we want future content.

The borg are caeliar or whatever. End of story

The moment the first few people came in trying to look "tough" by "challenging me, aka taking the side of the talentless hacks of paramount, the rest of you came in mindlessly so easily PEER pressured to copy the opinions of everyone else so you can fit in and be part of the crowd.

I suppose there's no true fan anymore.

Paramount releases garbage and says "you better watch this and like it", and all of you say "yes sir. Please love me. Please like me. I'll be peer pressured to do whatever you say and support you, and insult the real fans anytime I see one, and peer pressure the rest to do so also, just please let me fit in with the crowd and with the times, no matter which talentless hack happens to be running it".
How about less peer pressure to consider the new garbage Canon, and more self reflection.

Most of you here I assume grew up watching tos through ent. Most of you here surely knew how bad discovery was when it came out. Nothing made sense in that show. But look at all of you today. Peer pressured to like these shows just to fit in and get attention.

I don't care if we lived in a world where people would laugh at me, throw me down the spire of commerce on ferenginar, or execute me, I'd STILL get right in the faces of those talentless hacks and push them down in their place and bring back the best of the best from tng/ds9/voy/ent to replace them. But I suppose we live in a world of fear. Everyone wants to.be liked and fit in, and theyre afraid to agree with the person they KNOW deep down is rifht, simply because the challengers supporting the status quo outnumber us (because they were peer pressured into it anyway, which is sad)

I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONEreason for anyone to like new trek other than a DESPERATE desire to fit in with the current status quo. Oh how well they exploit people's fear of loneliness.
I haven't seen ANY arguments for why new trek is good. None. Everytime people point out the obvious, we have desperate conformists shills attacking only the persons reputation as opposed to accusation, in some desperate hopes that their owners they're shilling for will give them some bonus points, candy, or invite them to their party or something. Please, explain to us why nutrek is actually good or better than 60s-90s trek. We are waiting.

I know half the people here agree with me but conform out of fear. Nutrek, is bad. And if you believe it's good, enlighten us with some facts rather than being a conformist shill

Let's not forget how people attacked Shatner for pointing out the obvious that "roddenbery would be turning in his grave" at the new trek a few months ago.

So what are you conformists with no facts to explain why new trek is good, going to attack Shatners reputation too? Give me a break. New trek sucks and I don't care what copycat conformist afraid to speak the truth and thus conforms to fit in, says about me. It sucks. I know it. Shatner knows it. But when Shatner said that, instead of one single person pointing out some facts why new trek is good, all they did is attack his reputation, rather than his accusations, just like how it's happening here

I guess I am religious about trek.

It's trek. I've never been to conventions, but the fact so many people have for the last 50 years says a lot.

Let's look at the orville. I am not a fan of Seth McFarlane, but at least his show feels so much like tng, that I enjoy it more than any nutrek, despite the awful jokes and humor (when will Seth learn he's not funny at all).

You would think with all this money and decades of knowing what works, they could release ONE SINGLE SHOW that's just like legacy trek.

The fact that they can't release ONE SHOW is what really upsets me. Now they wanna release a show of the academy, but in the 32nd century, a time no one cared about even in discovery, and it's too far in the future to make any sense. And the tech will look exactly like the 23rd century. These ideas are so idiotic. I imagine someone bringing it up on the boardroom, and everyone getting up and saying "omg you're a genius. Here you get a trillion dollar raise".

This is the level of intellect people have today?

And this sad, unfortunate phenomena is not limited to trek. I like lord of the rings. Look at the new show. TRASH. I really dislike star wars, but even the fans hate the new trilogy. And when they look back to episode 1-3, they realize it was far better than 7-9 released today. The 90s and early 2000s is where everything peaked. And has been on a decline since.

No its not. NO character from discovery is equal to the worst of the worst from legacy trek. Everytime I see and heard.tilly I want to punch her face. They have no "soul", no depth, no intellect.

Spock, is cheating on his future mate being all emotional in disc and SNW, and this is supposed to be during the time he would have been his logical self? What in the fk? Spock isn't Spock at all. There are so many examples I'd be here for days.

My main strifes are, the characters have no depth/lack experience and intelligence/are arrogant, and, the stories are terrible..just terrible..anyone remember "the burn"? I bet when the moron who came up with that idea, everyone cheered and clapped like he's some sort of mega genius. This is the level of stupidity we are dealing with, and I'm convinced you people are choosing to overlook these major infractions and just deciding to accept it, because you can't accept the reality that our shows have truly been hijacked by talentless, inexperienced, arrogant hacks who have no love or understanding of what made trek great and why it generated one of the biggest fan bases of any show.

I may not like Shatners antics sometimes either, but he lived and worked with Roddenberry..he would be the first one to tell all of you that Roddenberry would find anything after st 2009 absolutely despicable, but now he's afraid to say it since he will get canceled by his own conformist of the status quo fans. Why are people so afraid to call out bs when they see it. So ok some random strangers will look at you with contempt, and they'll think your crazy for daring to stand up to the status quo, but who the hell cares what some cowardly fearful person says or thinks. They keep their mouth shut to fit in, and maybe have a few friends. They're terrified of speaking out and then being attacked not for their facts but their persona just for not bowing down to the status quo.

People have been complaining about how star wars sucks now or how the lord of the rings show sucks, and what do they get? They get blasted online, called "racist" or "sexist" with no basis in fact, all to shut them.up and instill conformity in those daring to agree with their correct factual viewpoints. People are being pressured to accept this nonsense and mediocrity, because let's face it, the people employed in media today are all friends with each other or have some friends above and below them, they all want to retain their positions and they all want to set the standard that they can be as terrible and talentless and arrogant and ignorant as they can be, and yet be rewarded for.it, while attacking those who call out their BS and enciting those on the fence to take their side through fear. If they started firing anyone Immeadiately for being a talentless arrogant failure who's self deluded (like 90% of Hollywood is today at least), they'd suddenly find nearly 90%+ of positions empty, and they'd find themselves fired too.

Thanks to social media allowing everyone to make duck faces and get 1 or 2 measly likes online, everyone has become self deluded and arrogant, and this is DESTROYING the potential for intellectual, deep, creative stories like we used to get before kids deluded themselves to think they're the "deities of the peasants that follow them" ever since they got 3 followers on IG by posting their stupid face making some ugly looking face or something.

Crack is no one’s friend. Xanax, at times, can be.
 
I don't care. All of you people can laugh at me and hate me for all I care. Your CONFORMIST "opinions" are irrelevant to me. And I'm willing to bet at least HALF the people.here feel the same way but are just afraid to speak out fearing the onslaught of the conformists coming at them to destroy their online reputation. Anyone here who attacks fans for pointing out their dislike of new trek by trying to destroy their reputation, is a despicable shill. If you really like new trek, use arguments. But all I see is peolle going after reputations to force conformity because there is not ONEreason for anyone to like new trek other than a DESPERATE desire to fit in with the current status quo. Oh how well they exploit people's fear of loneliness.
I haven't seen ANY arguments for why new trek is good. None. Everytime people point out the obvious, we have desperate conformists shills attacking only the persons reputation as opposed to accusation, in some desperate hopes that their owners they're shilling for will give them some bonus points, candy, or invite them to their party or something. Please, explain to us why nutrek is actually good or better than 60s-90s trek. We are waiting.

I know half the people here agree with me but conform out of fear. Nutrek, is bad. And if you believe it's good, enlighten us with some facts rather than being a conformist shill
Spelling and punctuation doesn't appear to be your thing. Or is that too a type of conformity that you are having no part in?
 
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