Terry Matalas: No Stargazer in S3

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

That's true! Although I hope not, to be honest. The Sovereign is so streamlined and pretty (like the Excelsior) that it would be a shame to tack on a bunch of weird oversized refit additions and ruin the nice lines (like the Excelsior)

But then again some ships look weird in diagrams but great in 3D, or vice versa so who knows.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm not sure why the Enterprise-E would have been refit that drastically if the other Sovereigns we saw weren't.

Well, it is the Enterprise, the flagship. I can see that getting a special refit the others don't get. Kind of like how the Enterprise B is different from all other Excelsior class ships (aside from the Lakota).

Plus, we saw a model of the E in season 1 and it looked the same as in the movies.

The drastic refit could have been done after Picard left the ship, and the model represents the ship as it was when he commanded it.

I recall there was a point when the 2009 movie Countdown books were briefly considered canon, particularly as they applied to the Borg origin of the Narada, but yeah, on the whole, they’re not canon.

Not really: one of the writers said he considered canon and was promptly ignored by pretty much everybody else.

He was badged into it in an interview and then popped up in the comments to say he mispoke so he himself never believed it either!

Ah yes, the infamous Trekmovie interview in which Orci kept being nagged about canonical status of the comics until finally a frustrated Orci just snapped "what do you want from me? Do you want to hear me say 'comics are canon'? Fine, comics are canon. Now can we please move on?" Trekmovie then ran an article with the headline "Orci Declares Comics Canon." Within a day or so, Orci ended up recanting the claim he never really made to begin with.

I'm far from Orci's biggest fan, but Trekmovie really should be ashamed of themselves for how they conducted themselves on that matter.

 

[Tuskin38]

I just hope it isn't "early 2023" like they have been saying. October 2022 would make more sense, being the 35th anniversary of TNG's premiere and S3 having the cast it does.

It was 6 months between Season 2 filming ended and it airing. Season 3 finishing filming in March, 6 months from march is September.

So it could make it for the September 28th Anniversary if post-production is going as fast as Season 2.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It was 6 months between Season 2 filming ended and it airing. Season 2 finishing filming in March, 6 months from march is September.

So it could make it for the September 28th Anniversary if post-production is going as fast as Season 2.

I'd forgotten it was as early as late September. Ahhh the olden days of TV.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, it is the Enterprise, the flagship. I can see that getting a special refit the others don't get. Kind of like how the Enterprise B is different from all other Excelsior class ships (aside from the Lakota).

But the Enterprise-B and the Excelsior aren't all that different. When a ship is refit to such an extent that it has nothing in common with its original design anymore, then you might as well just say it`s a new class. I don't really see 25th century Starfleet doing what mid-23rd century Starfleet did with the TMP Constitution refit.

The drastic refit could have been done after Picard left the ship, and the model represents the ship as it was when he commanded it.

Maybe, but why confuse the audience like that, who probably don`t care about refits or the Enterprise-E all that much anyway?

I really don't see any logical reason why they would have blurred out an image of an unknown ship design unless it`s supposed to be the new Enterprise-F. But that`s just me.

 

[C.E. Evans]

While I love the Odyssey-class and would really like the Enterprise-F to be one, I don't think that's what we're getting in Season 3. Personally, I don't think it will be an Enterprise at all, but I think TPTB still want to keep the new ship (as well as other Season 3 details) under wraps as long as possible.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Enterprise-E makes a brief appearance in Season 3's premiere, even if the ship has been upgraded some since we last saw her...

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

If there is an E, I really want it to be the -E.

 

[dupersuper]

Worf commanded the Enterprise-E in 2381, when Picard moved on to the Romulan rescue mission. The present of season 2 is 2401, 20 years later. That's a long time.

Not as long as Picard was captain of the Stargazer, Or Kirk was captain of an Enterprise (even subtracting his stints as a desk-bound admiral)...not much longer than Picard was captain of an Enterprise, for that matter...

 

[jackoverfull]

While I love the Odyssey-class and would really like the Enterprise-F to be one, I don't think that's what we're getting in Season 3. Personally, I don't think it will be an Enterprise at all, but I think TPTB still want to keep the new ship (as well as other Season 3 details) under wraps as long as possible.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Enterprise-E makes a brief appearance in Season 3's premiere, even if the ship has been upgraded some since we last saw her...

i’m pretty sure we’ll see an Enterprise in season 3: with all the cast members returning it wouldn’t make sense not to have one. No idea if it will be a refit E or a new F, though.

 

[C.E. Evans]

i’m pretty sure we’ll see an Enterprise in season 3: with all the cast members returning it wouldn’t make sense not to have one. No idea if it will be a refit E or a new F, though.

I'm inclined to think the Enterprise-E will make a brief cameo--maybe one or more of Picard's old crew will transfer over--but I really hope Stewart and the rest of the show's producers aren't fixated on actually putting the TNG gang on a third new Enterprise...

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't think it will be an Enterprise at all,

I'm 99.9% certain we are seeing an Enterprise since

Spoiler

John Eaves recent posted (and then promptly deleted) pictures of a display cased filled with gold Enterprise models, just like what the Enterprise E had in its briefing room. This time updated to include the NX-01 and the Disco/SNW version of the original 1701.

 

[jackoverfull]

Interesting. Did the SNW Enterprise replace the TOS one or both were present?

Also, such display would make easy to foresee if we'll see the -E again or a new -F: if a -E model was present it would imply a new ship.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Interesting. Did the SNW Enterprise replace the TOS one or both were present?

Also, such display would make easy to foresee if we'll see the -E again or a new -F: if a -E model was present it would imply a new ship.

With the gold ships? IIRC, both versions were in there.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I'm 99.9% certain we are seeing an Enterprise

I'm sure because it's the last season. It's the last opportunity to put this cast on a starship together, so why wouldn't it be the (or an) Enterprise. I know there are those who don't want that, or those against the reunion in general, but to me it just feels like the right thing to do. From the perspective of narrative, marketing and just good ol' fan-pleasing, it makes a lot of sense.

 

[F. King Daniel]

IMHO if they were gonna to a reunion special/TNG S8, PIC S1 would have been the time. But it's what they're doing, so I can either give it a chance or be grumpy for the rest of my life.

Of course, I choose the latter.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

With the gold ships? IIRC, both versions were in there.

Was the E-E in there too? Or could this hopefully be on the E-E.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

@Tuskin38 did you link to the twitter page that had the gold plated Enterprises? I have no idea which thread that was in.

 

[Tuskin38]

@Tuskin38 did you link to the twitter page that had the gold plated Enterprises? I have no idea which thread that was in.

https://stra-tek.tumblr.com/post/683906704664100864

 

[Tuskin38]

IMHO if they were gonna to a reunion special/TNG S8, PIC S1 would have been the time.

Patrick was against that. He wanted the show to earn it first or something like that, basically stand on its own two feet without them.

I don’t remember his exact wording.

 

[jackoverfull]

https://stra-tek.tumblr.com/post/683906704664100864

thanks. Uhm, first thing I notice is that there are some duplicates, second the obvious sovereign. Thinking of it, though, wasn’t one done but never used for nemesis?