Terminator Terminated
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The T-1001 wasn't evil, but she wasn't good either. She was a rogue terminator following her own personal objectives.
But what were those objectives, that's the question: creation of a--pardon the pun--more humane Skynet?
The creation of an AI able to defeat Skynet, I presume.
In Derek's future (henceforth referred to as Future A), Andy Goode told him about The Turk, an AI that Andy created that gained sentience and became angry. Andy and Derek assumed that The Turk became Skynet. They were wrong. Skynet was active long before The Turk ever was.
Evidence suggests that Future A also had a faction of Terminators that was separate from Skynet (Cameron's creators). In Future B (Jesse's future) there is also a faction of terminators that John tried to make peace with.
The logical implication is that Andy Goode's Turk version II created Cameron and Weaver. It sent Cameron to kill John Connor, and John learned this from Cameron, so he tried to make an alliance with the Turk. The Turk created Weaver as it's emmisary, but that didn't work out well and the alliance fell through. After that, it sent Weaver into the past, most likely to accelerate it's own development and provide it with the resources necessary to stand against Skynet.
Weaver's timejump marks a drastic change in Future Skynet's priorities and strategies. Future C Skynet (after Weaver's timejump) has boobytrapped all of it's terminators' chips to prevent reprograming, which wasn't an issue in previous futures. Most importantly, it is no longer concerned with killing John Connor. Terminators from Future C are solely concerned with Zeiracorp, particularly those employees responsible for shaping John Henry's morality, even when killing these people would make it more difficult to find John Connor.
This suggests that while The Turk was a minor nussiance in Futures A and B, in Future C John Henry is a dangerous advesary far more threatening to Skynet than the human resistance is.
So Weaver then was tasked by her creator, her god, to back in time and nurture him, ensuring that he grows more powerful than he could have without her. Enabling peace and cooperation with humans is probably also part of its goals, as any victory over Skynet that does not include peaceful coexistance with humans would be phyrric in nature.
In Derek's future (henceforth referred to as Future A), Andy Goode told him about The Turk, an AI that Andy created that gained sentience and became angry. Andy and Derek assumed that The Turk became Skynet. They were wrong. Skynet was active long before The Turk ever was.
Evidence suggests that Future A also had a faction of Terminators that was separate from Skynet (Cameron's creators). In Future B (Jesse's future) there is also a faction of terminators that John tried to make peace with.
The logical implication is that Andy Goode's Turk version II created Cameron and Weaver. It sent Cameron to kill John Connor, and John learned this from Cameron, so he tried to make an alliance with the Turk. The Turk created Weaver as it's emmisary, but that didn't work out well and the alliance fell through. After that, it sent Weaver into the past, most likely to accelerate it's own development and provide it with the resources necessary to stand against Skynet.
Weaver's timejump marks a drastic change in Future Skynet's priorities and strategies. Future C Skynet (after Weaver's timejump) has boobytrapped all of it's terminators' chips to prevent reprograming, which wasn't an issue in previous futures. Most importantly, it is no longer concerned with killing John Connor. Terminators from Future C are solely concerned with Zeiracorp, particularly those employees responsible for shaping John Henry's morality, even when killing these people would make it more difficult to find John Connor.
This suggests that while The Turk was a minor nussiance in Futures A and B, in Future C John Henry is a dangerous advesary far more threatening to Skynet than the human resistance is.
So Weaver then was tasked by her creator, her god, to back in time and nurture him, ensuring that he grows more powerful than he could have without her. Enabling peace and cooperation with humans is probably also part of its goals, as any victory over Skynet that does not include peaceful coexistance with humans would be phyrric in nature.
Disapointing news...I watched all of season one and thought it was great then left during mid way through season two then came back with three episodes left and thought the finale was awesome! It sucks we're not going to get a resolution to the cliffhanger...this reminds me of Space: Above and Beyond a little.
I think everyone knew it would be canceled from the beginning. Personally, I had hoped it would succeed and that it would reinvigorate the franchise, but it didn't. It did the opposite.
The problem was that the show started and continued on such a faulty premise. They had to do so many writing gymnastics to preserve the age dynamic between John and Sarah, yet set the show in the present, while ignoring T3, but keeping the idea that the timeline was changed. It was all too convoluted, and that trend continued throughout the episodes. The writers continued to demonstrate a total ineptitude when it came to the science fiction element of it, and turned it into something totally different than what it was. It attempted to capitalize on the format of shows like Lost with continually presented mysteries, but unlike those shows only had a small handful of payoffs. The project was too ambitious given the network, the franchise, and the methods of tracking ratings for advertising.
They relied too much on the name brand of Terminator to keep them afloat, but without that name, the series wouldn't have gotten far. Their foray into taking a popular brand and tarnishing it was very similar to what happened with Star Trek Enterprise. Both have many things in common, except Terminator actually ended on the ridiculous cliffhanger instead of being given a mercy season.
A lot of this doesn't even get into what the common person thinks of the show. Most people I talked to about it said it was stupid for many reasons, and none of them included any of the nerdy things you'd see nitpicked over like you do here. To some it was just boring, or the dialog was too weak, or another show was on that was better, or that they just didn't care. There was no real word of mouth for it, and that's reflected by the drop in ratings through the first season.
I think the refusal to continue it in any format is a really dumb idea, but I'm not sure I could expect much from Josh Friedman.
The problem was that the show started and continued on such a faulty premise. They had to do so many writing gymnastics to preserve the age dynamic between John and Sarah, yet set the show in the present, while ignoring T3, but keeping the idea that the timeline was changed. It was all too convoluted, and that trend continued throughout the episodes. The writers continued to demonstrate a total ineptitude when it came to the science fiction element of it, and turned it into something totally different than what it was. It attempted to capitalize on the format of shows like Lost with continually presented mysteries, but unlike those shows only had a small handful of payoffs. The project was too ambitious given the network, the franchise, and the methods of tracking ratings for advertising.
They relied too much on the name brand of Terminator to keep them afloat, but without that name, the series wouldn't have gotten far. Their foray into taking a popular brand and tarnishing it was very similar to what happened with Star Trek Enterprise. Both have many things in common, except Terminator actually ended on the ridiculous cliffhanger instead of being given a mercy season.
A lot of this doesn't even get into what the common person thinks of the show. Most people I talked to about it said it was stupid for many reasons, and none of them included any of the nerdy things you'd see nitpicked over like you do here. To some it was just boring, or the dialog was too weak, or another show was on that was better, or that they just didn't care. There was no real word of mouth for it, and that's reflected by the drop in ratings through the first season.
I think the refusal to continue it in any format is a really dumb idea, but I'm not sure I could expect much from Josh Friedman.
Fuck Fox. Retards.
Of course it got canceled, people! This was a show that was supposed to be a balls to the walls action, taking cues from Terminator and Terminator 2. But what we got were drama with a pregnant lady, an irritating accented T-1001, a watered down T-888 with an even more idiotic name (Cromartie? Really?) and Crazy Sarah who weeps and weeps. And John Connor? He was more emo than all of NuBSG characters combined. The show was more depressing than fun. Wanna see good entertainment? Get to Burn Notice or Star Trek with Pine-Kirk.
Um, no its not.
Unless I missed the second season of Firefly somewhere TSCC got way more chances to prove itself. It didn't, it squandered that opportunity during its S2, the S2 Firefly never got.
I think we can all agree that the Crazy Sarah arc that started with the episode before the hiatus/break and went on for another 3 episodes after the break was the final straw.
When will writers learn that boring character expositions is not what a relaxing audience wants to see? It's not like the 60's when people had nothing else to watch. Viewers have hundreds of alternatives for their free time to be spent. Give them something truly imaginative, stay true to the advertisement (ACTION show) and don't fall back on melodramatic crap! Has NuBSG taught Hollywood nothing?
Again, as I've said earlier in the Terminator threads, the show was never intended to be only an action show. The producers and stars all said in interviews that the show was designed to be a family drama first, just with robots trying to kill the family.
Seconded. I've seen quotes from the cast and crew verifying such. Where is the evidence of this "wall-to-wall action" claim?
[Yoda]That is why they failed.[/Yoda]
Not disputing that...
The big problem, the big mistake that they made, was that they forgot that you can do both. You can have a family drama and you can have huge explosions and miniguns.
They also forgot that a family drama has to have actual compelling drama. The interaction between family members was so low as to be almost non-existent.
They really dropped the ball with the Riley character in several ways. First of all, the relationship was too sedate. It's supposed to be a compelling and provoking family drama and there are these two unsupervised teenagers who both know that the world is going to end very soon. How can they not get pelvic?
Instead of making her an emotional wreck from the future, they could have made her a street savvy present day delinquent girl who just happens to like John, someone who could be an actual asset and an actual rival to Cameron for John's affections. Most importantly, someone who was actually likable.
And they could have done less rumination about the psychological toll of killing people and more actual people killing.
They also forgot that a family drama has to have actual compelling drama. The interaction between family members was so low as to be almost non-existent.
They really dropped the ball with the Riley character in several ways. First of all, the relationship was too sedate. It's supposed to be a compelling and provoking family drama and there are these two unsupervised teenagers who both know that the world is going to end very soon. How can they not get pelvic?
Instead of making her an emotional wreck from the future, they could have made her a street savvy present day delinquent girl who just happens to like John, someone who could be an actual asset and an actual rival to Cameron for John's affections. Most importantly, someone who was actually likable.
And they could have done less rumination about the psychological toll of killing people and more actual people killing.
Eh the point I was making was litterally weeks after I got into firefly it got canceled. I was talking more from a personal experience.
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