Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by nx1701g, May 19, 2009.


Grade "Terminator Salvation"

  1. "I'll be back!" (Excellent)

    31 vote(s)
  2. "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    61 vote(s)
  3. "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    50 vote(s)
  4. "If we stay this course we are dead! We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    26 vote(s)
  5. "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    20 vote(s)
  1. Roberto

    Roberto Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Mar 22, 2009
    I really enjoyed this movie waaaaay more than Star Trek....the story, acting and FX were far superior.
  2. StarTrek1701

    StarTrek1701 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 24, 2008
    Which movie are you referring to?
  3. Roberto

    Roberto Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Mar 22, 2009
    "Terminator Salvation" over "Star Trek" (2009)
  4. StarTrek1701

    StarTrek1701 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 24, 2008
  5. davejames

    davejames Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 6, 2001
    Sac, Ca
    Exactly. The first two Terminators may look like just a really well-executed action movies on the surface, but they're driven from beginning to end by complex and three-dimensional characters. T2 in particular had a lot going on with this really interesting dynamic between mother and son, where there were all kinds of conflicted feelings and emotions as they struggled to deal with each other amid all the crazy shit happening around them.

    It's the kind of believable and well-drawn relationship you don't often see in action movies, and was a big reason why T2 works as well as it does.
  6. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Kansas City
    Must suck to be named after a dish that consists of a bunch of random crap and oats stuffed in a pig intestine.
  7. Tim

    Tim Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 25, 2005
    Red Sox Nation
    Ah, so you mean you actually have no counterargument? :lol:
  8. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 3, 2006
    Agreed. Linda Hamiton was the heart and soul of Terminator. I thought that T3 would have benefitted from her appearance, even if it was only a five minute extended cameo.
  9. Blue_Trek

    Blue_Trek Captain Captain

    Mar 7, 2009
  10. T'Baio

    T'Baio Admiral Admiral

    Oct 18, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    If you can get past the "only one male, feed on ash" bits, Reign of Fire is a superiour movie to T4.
  11. stonester1

    stonester1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Nov 14, 2004
    Agreed, I dug RoF.
  12. Captain Craig

    Captain Craig Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 7, 2003
    You edit out the rest of my statement so you can try to nitpick the slight differences. :rolleyes: I said send two back and you want to differentiate it as one human/one 'nator.
    Then you, and apparently others, think the nuance of Sarah going after Myles is this great piece of character exposition. She's trying to do what the whole series is about. CHANGE THE FUTURE. WOW, she adds a third avenue beyond killing A Connor by going after Dyson.
    The third movie continues this third leg by having Captain Brewster as a target instead of Dyson this time. Again the Connors are now 2nd targets.

    This ideal that T2 is some Citizen Kane of Sci-Fi. The concept that T2 is this Lawrence of Arabia of Apocolyptic Human/Robot struggle makes me wonder about some of that tastes you folks have.

    Then to read that out of spite or sincerity(not sure which cause sarcasm doesn't translate well in text) you think Reign of Fire is good? :lol: Better than T4? :guffaw:

    Credibility blown.

    I know this next thought will get edited out cause it won't help ones cause when responding yet I'll say it anyway so I can say I said it.
    I LIKE T2. It is a great film. What gets me is when you people act like its the end all of not only the Terminator films but sci-fi seemingly in general.

    T4, good film and a worthy entry in the series. Can't wait for the DC on DVD to see those edited 30min.
  13. Hyperspace05

    Hyperspace05 Commodore Commodore

    Jul 18, 2005
    CHUD.com has a very fascinating article about Terminator Salvation, discussing in some detail how the script radically changed during production.

    I liked the movie overall, but I would have liked to see more of the original script. (Basically Christian Bale was originally cast as Marcus, and the whole movie was going to center around Marcus journey with Reese, not meeting John Connor until the very end...)

    A very interesting read, no matter what you thought of the movie.
  14. nx1701g

    nx1701g Admiral Admiral

    Jun 26, 2001
    2001 - 2016
    My counter argument is in my signature.
  15. Opal1

    Opal1 Ensign Red Shirt

    May 21, 2009
    Saw the movie yesterday...
    I really wanted to like the Terminator: Salvation because I liked the T1 and T2 and because I think Christian Bale is a great actor. I was looking forward to see him as John Connor.

    What I got to see instead were endless explosions without any meaning, and a plot that got lost pretty fast.
    Yes, it's a summer action flick about killer robots so I went into it expecting 'splosions and stuff. But without a good story it got boring fast.

    But what really riles me is that T:S easily could have been a much better, deeper movie.
    There's John Connor who knows that he's needed but has to convince the current leaders of the resistance of his knowledge and capability.
    Then there's Marcus Wright who acts human and believes that he's human but in fact *isn't*.
    Despite their differences and the initial mistrust both have to work together to find out Skynet's plans for Marcus and to rescue the teenager who will be John Connor's father.
    John Connor's monologue at the end hints at what this movie was supposed to be about:
    Humanity ("What is it that makes us human?").
    But somehow the director either forgot about it (in favour of more explosions) or the really important scenes were cut out (in favour of more explosions).

    I thought I was the only one who felt like this movie was a complete failure but when we left the theater many of the people I saw looked like someone had just kicked their puppy.

    So because of what the movie could have been I rated it "You are Terminated (poor)".
    Last edited: May 26, 2009
  16. Michael Chris

    Michael Chris Admiral Admiral

    May 11, 2001
    The 'Querq, NM
    Yep, I agree. Though I think knowing the locations and going, "how did they get from Albuquerque to the Rio Grande Gorge Bridge in two seconds?" Was a little distracting..
  17. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    Because of all the bombing going on, parts of the Earth collapsed in on itself, making the globe a little smaller. :shifty:

    What? :p
  18. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Kansas City
    Man, reading that link it sounds like the movie we didn't get would've been far, far, superior if "McG" wasn't a great-big idiot hack.
  19. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

    Oct 8, 2005
    Los Angeles, California
    Average. The twist about Marcus wasn't properly hidden in the film, let alone the trailers. The acting was sound all around, but most of the characters, including John Connor, were little more than cyphers. I hope their development ended up on the cutting room floor and will be restored on DVD.

    It's a little weird that the war has been going on for so long since Judgment Day (I'm assuming the movie tracks with T3 and that Judgment Day happened pretty soon after Marcus was executed in 2003), but I can deal with that.

    Elfman's music was entirely forgettable. I don't know why it is has been so hard for the composers to bring back the original theme in the past two sequels. It's iconic, and would have fit perfectly in a few places.

    And Skynet not killing Reese immediately doesn't make any sense. Even if they wanted to preserve Marcus' cover, they could have killed Reese after they took him. But, no, they hold onto him long enough for John to rescue him. Silly.

    And, you know what, I would have preferred the original, darker ending, with a tweak. Have John Connor be killed, and Marcus adapt his skin so he looks like Connor and still leads the resistance to victory. But, alas, Connor is able to survive by some twist of dumb luck (or, some twist of dumb Skynet). Hopefully Christian Bale will be better used in the sequels.

    Average (could be above average if the character development is added on DVD).
  20. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Kansas City
    Speaks. Much.