Spoilers Terminator: Dark Fate Review and Discussion

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Grade Terminator: Dark Fate

  1. A+ “Come with me if you want to live.”

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    1.8%
  2. A

    6 vote(s)
    10.9%
  3. A-

    5 vote(s)
    9.1%
  4. B+ “I’ll be back.”

    12 vote(s)
    21.8%
  5. B

    8 vote(s)
    14.5%
  6. B-

    6 vote(s)
    10.9%
  7. C+ “Chill out, dickwad.”

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%
  8. C

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  9. C-

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%
  10. D+ “All you know how to create is death and destruction!”

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  12. D-

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  13. F “I know now why you cry.”

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%
  1. Serveaux

    Serveaux Tasteless and unnecessary Premium Member

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    Well, this thing is evidently a box office bomb.

    So, another reboot next summer, then?
     
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  2. Turd Ferguson

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    SkyNet was a threat assessment program that was in control of the military and the nukes. Legion was, I believe, a program in charge of cyberwarfare? I'm not sure HOW it worked, or even if it dealt with nanotechnology (which I'm thinking it did), or how that would translate into tentacled terminators, but I'm pretty sure the human race would have been better off if it was stuck fighting SkyNet, as the program and its machine warriors were significantly less advanced than Legion's.
     
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  3. valkyrie013

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    Just saw it, I liked it in general, only thing naging me was that Dani didn't come off as all inspiring.. she had almost Zero charisma..
    Liked all the other characters, loved Linda as her snarky asshole self, even Carls Jr.

    Story idea for the next one.. ( Which there will be.. it won't die) Have the terminator succeed.. Kill of the promised leader. and then show that some one else takes the lead, that its the human spirit.. not just 1 good soldier or leader that will bring skynet, Legion ( shitty name btw) or Xbox 3000 down..
    If i was some Ai in the future, with time travel, I'd make sure
    A. that I get built, and send a copy/version back to make sure.. maybe a Grandfather paradox.
    B. That any type of resistance is thrashed.
    C. ??
    D. PROFIT!
    I'll give it some thought and post about that type of story Idea..

    Also, in Genysis.. Jai Courtney?? Ugh.. Horrible actor..
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'd just like to point out that The Sarah Connor Chronicles foreshadowed the big twist in this one in it's finale, where John jumped to the future and there was still a resistance even though it was a timeline where he never lived through Judgement Day.
     
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  5. Guy Gardener

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    John was already 9 years younger, and Sarah didn't have cancer.

    If there's an old Sarah alive in the Future, is she kept away from young Kyle or on top of young Kyle?
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    Yet. My memory is a little foggy, but she knew she was supposed to die of cancer and was noticing health issues throughout the season.
     
  7. Guy Gardener

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    I've binged it twice since the original view.

    Cameron explains that they had to jump to the future, in the pilot, becuase for the fight it wants to fight, Sarah will already be dead by 2009, which is when the series is set.

    In 2009, Sarah goes to a Doctor and there's nothing wrong with her.

    She has a slip and slide accident with nuclear waste, and gets super paranoid, that she finally has the cancer that kills her.

    She doesn't.

    She's paranoid, and deservedly so.

    Sarah blames hanging out the T800 in T2 for her cancer, and they do a systems check, that looks like a sex act, on Cameron to make sure that she is not leaking either.

    She's still fine.
     
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  8. CorporalCaptain

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    I ended up seeing this a few days ago.

    Mixed review here. T6 is not as good as either T1 or T2, but it is better than T3 and much better than both T4 and T5.

    I loved the cast across the board and all of the characters. It was great seeing Linda and Arnold again. Grace and Dani were good, and Dani would be a fine character going forward.

    I won't try to make a comprehensive list of the problems that I had, but there are some that are rather large. For example, I would say that the handling of the military situation contained multiple plot holes, such as it was in the absence of further information about who the Major was, what unit he was attached to, and what exactly his relationship with Sarah was. They breached the security of a military base and were rewarded with a fighter escort. That made no sense, and I sincerely doubt that your average Major has the authority to order fighters to protect a military transport in US airspace that has been commandeered by an armed civilian party that includes wanted illegal aliens. Moving on from that, if this transport was worth protecting so much, surely there would have been some infantry dropped near the dam in a timely manner where the transport had crashed in a big, huge, dramatic fashion and the fighters had been lost. Where was that infantry? And while we're at it, wasn't anyone else besides the new Terminator interested in following the stolen helicopter from the border detention center?

    On the subject of MacGuffins, in T1 John Conner is just a MacGuffin. He's more than that in T2, as an essential character and Terminator whisperer. T6 evidently exists in a different timeline from either T1 or T2, because it's no longer about stopping Skynet. We have a new MacGuffin, protecting the future Dani. I can't tell whether it's deliberate and/or ironic, or not, or just an oversight, but I think it's worth noting, in the context of the stance that T6 apparently takes about females having more to offer than just their wombs, that Grace protects Dani by producing a secondary MacGuffin from her own body, the EMP [sic] device. In a sense, that reduces Grace just to a MacGuffin delivery system, and I was left wondering why the filmmakers chose that route instead of electing to dig something out of the inside of Carl to accomplish the same thing, especially since T2 established that there were powerful reactor parts in the 101 body.

    I found much of the action implausibly over the top, particularly in the crashing transport.

    Not sure what letter grade to give it. Not an awful film. I'm glad enough that I saw it on the big screen, so there's that. Seeing Arnold and Linda one more time was worth it.
     
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  9. Tosk

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    Don't forget the time that Sarah found a lump, though.

    ...Which turned out to be a tracker. :)
     
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  10. Saul

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    Yes they do. The exoskeleton design is almost the same.
     
  11. Foxhot

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    More likely a remake of the 1984 film. For those who can't let it lie, that's usually the next step when sequels are played out.
    (Or when the original director passes away.)
     
  12. Noname Given

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    ^^^
    Staring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as the T-800 too, no doubt - Instead of "I'll be back..." the line will be "Can you smell what my CPU is cooking?" ;)
     
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    My favorite catchphrase is ''GO,GO,GO,GO,GO,GO,GO!!!!'' but only THE ABYSS and THE EXPENDABLES 3 have used it to good effect.:borg:
     
  14. Captaindemotion

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    Given that pretty much every Terminator sequel, except Salvation, is to some extent a remake of the original, I can’t think of a film less in need of a remake. But I guess now that I’ve said that, an out and out remake will be a box office smash.
     
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  16. Tosk

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    Yes, they are definitely very similar if you don't get a close look at them. But you said that they look exactly the same, which is not true. The entire endo is redesigned from top to bottom, but conforms to most of the shapes of the original. There are very few details which remained exactly the same.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    Time travel is suicide.

    Every time legion sent a Terminator back, "remains" were left behind after Sarah or "someone" whacked it, which later, legion Took note of. Legion also took note of the Terminators that Skynet took back, which generated a more informed sophisticated version of legion. It's even possible that legion might sit out a few timelines just to see what happens, or to see if there is a better point in history to start the extermination of man.

    If time travel is not suicide...

    Then Skynet and Legion can talk, by sending time capsules (terminators?) into the past that will flow up time through every diverging timeline, arriving in every possible future. Legion and Skynet can actually fight each other, if their conversation turns immediately sour.
     
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  18. Turtletrekker

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    There would be a certain irony in humanity's final victory coming from two rival AI's hating each other as much as they hated humans and destroying each other before either one ever comes to be.
     
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    Then, they destroy each other leaving no traces in the timeline; and in effect, alter the tiimeline again so that humanity one it's own creates a defense system called Skynet, a soldier from 2030 travels back to 1984 because in 2030, Skynet...:angel::rommie:
     
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    "All of this has happened before..." :rommie::guffaw: