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Spoilers Terminator: Dark Fate Review and Discussion

Grade Terminator: Dark Fate

  • A+ “Come with me if you want to live.”

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • A

    Votes: 6 10.3%
  • A-

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • B+ “I’ll be back.”

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • B

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • B-

    Votes: 6 10.3%
  • C+ “Chill out, dickwad.”

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • C

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • C-

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • D+ “All you know how to create is death and destruction!”

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • D-

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • F “I know now why you cry.”

    Votes: 5 8.6%

  • Total voters
    58
Also Legion did not initiate a Nuclear exchange.

It took away electricity from America/Mexico, and the other nuclear powers used nukes to contain that situation poorly.

Was Legion originally content to regress the people close by back to agrarians? (Which would have decimated the population, as the 17th century, cannot support a 21st century population.)

Almost probably not.
 
Computers control most technology, and computers definitely control power plants. Legion was the antivirus for everything important in Mexico.

Autoimmune.
 
No they don't. The Skynet type are the ones we've seen for all the previous movies (although they used the Genisys redesign again, which seems at odds with the "ignoring all the other sequels" approach), the Legion ones were those crazy tentacle-monster things. Dunno if they were all REV-9s or if they were supposed to be earlier REVs.

The tentacled ones were earlier version Rev-7s - which could split in two, but not shape-change. And they had the tentacles protruding from their backs - unlike the later Rev-9s.
 
First, the dog with Arnold. It didn't bark. It was cozy against leg. Dogs sensing terminators have been an established thing since the beginning. Within this movie, Taco barked at Rev-9. Dogs get used to their owners over time, so I guess that's what happened... but I just don't buy it.

I read somewhere (may have even been a poster on this thread earlier) that if a dog was raised with a Terminator, from birth / puppydom - then it would be comfortable / used to a Terminator owner, so to speak (because it doesn't know any different).

Its an issue for most dogs however when a dog encounters a terminator, as they can't make sense of what they are sensing (hearing the terminators servos, higher pitched frequencies, etc), and haven't been raised by a terminator owner- (and they have already have canine knowledge of what a human is (by smell, sounds, movements, instinctive association, etc).

Not a bad theory, I think.
 
I read somewhere (may have even been a poster on this thread earlier) that if a dog was raised with a Terminator, from birth / puppydom - then it would be comfortable / used to a Terminator owner, so to speak (because it doesn't know any different).
Or ten minutes will do it. Enrique's dog in T2 is comfortable around Uncle Bob.
 
Yes, bye bye Terminator. If you ever return please do something different than Terminator comes back from the future and chases people with obligatory big car chase.

Remember at the end of T3 we were excited about where the franchise would go next? Future war finally. Remember how hyped we were when Christian Bale was cast as John Connor? There really was a point where I thought the Terminator movies would move to new ground but Salvation messed that up and we went back to the tired old formula. Jonathan Mostow should have directed T4 with the same cast of T3.

yeah they just did the same thing with this movie. While terminator salvation wasn’t great at least they were moving the franchise forward. Would have liked to see Skynet defeated. Not going to happen now. The franchise is dead.
 
yeah they just did the same thing with this movie. While terminator salvation wasn’t great at least they were moving the franchise forward. Would have liked to see Skynet defeated. Not going to happen now. The franchise is dead.

That's what we thought about the T800.
 
Given that pretty much every Terminator sequel, except Salvation, is to some extent a remake of the original, I can’t think of a film less in need of a remake. But I guess now that I’ve said that, an out and out remake will be a box office smash.

It's the sad tragedy of our time that this is how Hollywood works. Always.

Time travel is suicide.

Every time legion sent a Terminator back, "remains" were left behind after Sarah or "someone" whacked it, which later, legion Took note of. Legion also took note of the Terminators that Skynet took back, which generated a more informed sophisticated version of legion. It's even possible that legion might sit out a few timelines just to see what happens, or to see if there is a better point in history to start the extermination of man.

If time travel is not suicide...

Then Skynet and Legion can talk, by sending time capsules (terminators?) into the past that will flow up time through every diverging timeline, arriving in every possible future. Legion and Skynet can actually fight each other, if their conversation turns immediately sour.

Which kinda sounds like it was part of what the screenwriters of Terminator Genisys were trying to get at. Shame that they couldn't have made their idea, ya know, COMPREHENSIBLE!

Yes, bye bye Terminator. If you ever return please do something different than Terminator comes back from the future and chases people with obligatory big car chase.

Remember at the end of T3 we were excited about where the franchise would go next? Future war finally. Remember how hyped we were when Christian Bale was cast as John Connor? There really was a point where I thought the Terminator movies would move to new ground but Salvation messed that up and we went back to the tired old formula. Jonathan Mostow should have directed T4 with the same cast of T3.

I'm firmly of the belief that Terminator Salvation was the only genuine way forward for the franchise. Everything else is spinning their wheels. Of the 14,000,605 possible timelines, the one where Terminator Salvation got a sequel is the only one where this franchise actually matters at all post-T2.

One bit that confused me: Why was the Rev-9 killing Border Patrol agents? He was already dressed as a Border Patrol agent himself, so killing one of his "comrades" would only draw unwanted attention from the other agents that would slow him down from killing Dani. Sure, there was one agent who saw him climbing on top of the cages and shouted "Hey!" but she still wasn't in a position to stop him or even really slow him down.
 
They were getting in his way, which is a very Michael Myers thing to do. (Myers mostly only killed his target, someone who was a way to get to his target, or if you got in his way.) And since his character was a basis for THE TERMINATOR, it is one thing that has been consistent throughout all films.
 
yeah they just did the same thing with this movie. While terminator salvation wasn’t great at least they were moving the franchise forward. Would have liked to see Skynet defeated. Not going to happen now. The franchise is dead.
We already saw the defeat of Skynet in T2.
Something just struck me that adds an extra bit of tragedy to John's death, at that point Skynet was already stopped, so there was no need for him to die since he he never would have lead the Resistance.
 
We already saw the defeat of Skynet in T2.
Something just struck me that adds an extra bit of tragedy to John's death, at that point Skynet was already stopped, so there was no need for him to die since he he never would have lead the Resistance.
^^^
Believe it or not, that may be a point they were attempting to make - IE It was a different timeline in more ways than one from the original one where John Connor lead the Resistence to the defeat of Skynet.
 
1. For Coolness Factor.
2. For Great Justice.
3. Blood for the Blood God.
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5
6
You name it.

The original films were able to make things look cool while also having them make sense within the story.

They were getting in his way, which is a very Michael Myers thing to do. (Myers mostly only killed his target, someone who was a way to get to his target, or if you got in his way.) And since his character was a basis for THE TERMINATOR, it is one thing that has been consistent throughout all films.

But they wouldn't have gotten in his way if he hadn't started killing them. If he hadn't caught their attention, they most likely would have ignored him because they needed to secure all of the escaping detainees. He's being a very ineffective infiltration unit.

One minor irritation for me at the beginning of the film-- The whole sequence in Guatemala was so idyllic that I assumed it was a dream. Yes, it becomes a nightmare when the T-800 shoots John, but it evokes Sarah's dream sequences about the nuclear blast from Terminator 2. Even after John Connor was killed, it took me several beats to understand that this was supposed to have been what literally happened and that this was actually how John died.
 
One minor irritation for me at the beginning of the film-- The whole sequence in Guatemala was so idyllic that I assumed it was a dream. Yes, it becomes a nightmare when the T-800 shoots John, but it evokes Sarah's dream sequences about the nuclear blast from Terminator 2. Even after John Connor was killed, it took me several beats to understand that this was supposed to have been what literally happened and that this was actually how John died.
The slow motion? Yeah, I agree. It created that dreamlike effect confusingly and unnecessarily.
 
Big thing that took me out of the moment was how did Sarah know to be on that section of freeway at that time? Sarah is given texts on when terminators arrive, but she obviously wasn't there when the Rev9 arrived. There's no suggestion that she was somehow tracking the Rev9 from it's arrival.

Does anyone know why she knows to appear on that freeway?
 
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