Spoilers Terminator: Dark Fate Review and Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by David cgc, Nov 3, 2019.

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Grade Terminator: Dark Fate

  1. A+ “Come with me if you want to live.”

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  2. A

    6 vote(s)
    15.8%
  3. A-

    4 vote(s)
    10.5%
  4. B+ “I’ll be back.”

    7 vote(s)
    18.4%
  5. B

    6 vote(s)
    15.8%
  6. B-

    3 vote(s)
    7.9%
  7. C+ “Chill out, dickwad.”

    4 vote(s)
    10.5%
  8. C

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. C-

    3 vote(s)
    7.9%
  10. D+ “All you know how to create is death and destruction!”

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    1 vote(s)
    2.6%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F “I know now why you cry.”

    3 vote(s)
    7.9%
  1. Spot261

    Spot261 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It was and still is a Monarchy, it also had and still has a Parliament, which is a representative democracy. Fun fact, the Monarchy didn't oversee the colonies, Parliament did. Yup, it was a Representative Democracy you revolted against, it was King George who prosecuted the war largely out of Royal funds given that Parliament restricted his funding.

    You see, an executive and a legislature with the purse strings. Sounds a little like....

    Ta da!

    Now, we weren't talking about separation of powers, nor did anyone claim the MC formed the basis of the Constitution. However the Magna Carta was indeed both a constitution and a bill of rights, the very existence of which you claimed marked the Founding Fathers out as world changers.

    Like most national constitutions (and there have indeed been a great many) it gradually became an historical artefact as it was overwritten and amended, yours just isn't old enough to have got to that stage yet.

    That, of course, was after you tried claiming Representative Democracy was the FFs' preserve despite the fact that the Senate is names literally after the Roman Senate which was.....a Representative Democracy (and one which acted as a legislature to the Emperors' executive to boot) and Congress was named after a political alliance intended to oppose a Representative Democracy.

    Look it up. Another new idea which wasn't new at all.

    Such as?

    What have we in our political system which originated in the US?

    I'm waiting for libertarianism to pop up, it commonly does around this point. (Clue, that was around before the US too)

    No, it was a resistance to Parliament. The Monarchy didn't really involve itself in the daily affairs of Empire until hostilities became a realistic proposition.

    No one has claimed the US isn't an influential nation. It is currently the dominant superpower, the current Pax nation.

    That in no way has any bearing on your claim that the Founding Fathers "changed the world". They may have done, the jury is out, but as with any "great figure" we have no way of knowing short of developing a time machine and altering history to test the hypothesis.

    Countries influence each other all the time, but we really don't go around modelling our nations on you, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

    So it's the being the same you have a problem with, not the being different?

    Or maybe there is and you missed it?
     
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  2. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Really enjoyed this one. A shocking opening sequence and a really enjoyable movie afterwards. Shame the franchise is dead, but since they've never been able to continue any of the trilogies (or series) they start maybe it's for the best. This one is as good an endpoint as you could have with no major dangling threads or questions like Genesys had.

    Linda Hamilton was 100% badass.
     
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  3. Timby

    Timby Game ... OVER! Administrator

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    Uh...
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    HAMILTON:lol:

    Fixed.
     
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  5. Noname Given

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    Hamilton?:

    :whistle:;)
     
  6. kitik

    kitik Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Good movie, but the problem is that it was just good. Not great. It brought nothing really new to the franchise, just rehashing old ideas over and over again for the billionth time. After walking out of the movie, I felt like I'd seen it all before.

    The opening really surprised us, we were really glad were weren't spoiled. The de-aging effects looked great too. It really did feel like they had some old footage that they found lying around.

    The rest of it was good action, not boring, one or two decent lines, but overall just felt like more of the same. Grace was pretty damn cool, as was Sarah. But even if I wasn't actively thinking about it, somewhere in the back of my head my brain realized that saving Dani just wasn't that important, not after the opening two minutes of the movie showed us that saving or killing John wasn't any sort of an end to the story either.


    Honestly, the best solution for the franchise going forward is probably a 100% full reboot/remake. No Arnold, no Sarah or John Connor, no connections whatsoever to 1984 or any of the previous movies. When they touch this franchise again in another 8 or 10 years, it has to feel 100% fresh and new.
     
  7. crookeddy

    crookeddy Commodore Commodore

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    Not possible, there just aren't a lot of stories to tell, unless you go into the future war, and the whole point of T2 was to say that "There is no fate but what we make". So you'd have to throw that movie away no matter what you do.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The resistance sends a fighter back to get the 2016 anti technology candidate elected, who is going to stamp down on science, and turn away all the high skilled immigrant computer geniuses at the border.

    Skynet counters by tricking Putin into fixing the election in Hillary's favour, almost.
     
  9. Morpheus 02

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    This includes an infiltrator, Donyeta Brazhinski, who later is found out to have gotten the debate questions early
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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  11. JD

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    I finally got to see it this morning, and I enjoyed it.
    I went in knowing John was going to die eventually, but the way it played out was not at all what I expected.
    The deaging for the opening scene was really impressive.
    The whole cast did a great job, with Linda Hamilton, Mackenzie David and Natalia Reyes giving especially great performances.
    It did follow the same basic idea as the other, but I thought that there were enough twists and turns in there to still keep things interesting.
    I keep seeing people saying it trivialized the first two, but I don't think it did. Even if Legion rose in it's place, John and Sarah did still stop Skynet and prevent that future, it's just that another one ended up taking it's place. There is nothing in this movie to indicate that Legion can't be stopped the same way that Skynet was.
    I was really surprised they actually killed Grace and Carl, I expected at least one of them to make it to the end. Once Carl showed up I thought maybe they'd be able to use his power source instead of Grace's or maybe put his in Grace to save her.
    It really had some great action scenes.
    Gabriel Luna was good as the Rev-9, and the splitting effect they used for him was pretty cool.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    This is kind of my feelings too. It reminds me of an "Outer Limits" episode with the whole "kill Hitler as a baby" plotline. What was most interesting was that Hitler's dad watches as the time traveling assassin jumps in to a river, killing herself and his infant son and he immediately finds the son of one his housekeepers (or something...been a while) and adopts him as his own, and history marches on.
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    They actually hint that Legion was defeated before Grace went back, much like how the original happened after Skynet's defeat in the future.
     
  14. Ralphis

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    After Genisys struggled at the box office (before China saved it) and especially now after Dark Fate, I've found myself wondering if the franchise actually needs to go back to the style of the first movie, The Terminator. Lower budget, more horror and cyberpunk inspired (tech noir as it was called- not the Tech noir scene from the movie, but genre of fiction). The Terminator had like a $7 million dollar budget, which would be like, what... $15 million today? Not saying go that low, but like a John Wick-style $80 million budget as opposed to the $150-$180 million budget of the last few movies would give them some breathing room and not demand a Marvel movie type return in the box office. You'd lose some blow 'em action, but you can make that up in other ways. I realize T2 set the standard of not just Terminator, but the summer action blockbuster movie, but I just think something closer to the first movie would benefit the franchise, if it isn't... well... terminated.
     
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  15. JD

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    Oh, I missed that. But I actually meant stop it before the apocalypse, like Sarah and John stopped the Skynet apocalypse in T2.
     
  16. Pubert

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    lol. Cameron stole the terminator story from a 1960s episode of the outer limits.
     
  17. saddestmoon

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    I saw this last night, and loved it!

    Overall, a great watch, with an astoundingly shocking (in a good way) opener of a scene, and the momentous return of Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton hits it out of the park, IMO!); hilariously dead-pan 'Karl' and his wooden humour (drapery consultancy pro-tips, and proud diaper changing skills - acquired through his learning to become human).

    MacKenzie Davis did a great job also, as did Natalia Reyes: I would absolutely love to see more future war scenes, and I was intrigued by the Resistance dropship (would love to see Neca make a cinemachines of this vehicle!), and would love to see more sequels (however unlikely). As King Daniel Beyond posted, Dark Fate didn't leave any loose ends, unlike previous terminator iterations - but also left things open for possible sequel(s).

    Diego Luna carried out the role as Rev-9 fairly effortlessly I thought, and with unshakable focus and resolve.

    The early Rev-7 models (with the tentacles protruding from the back) were cool to see - and once again, if Neca could produce a 6-inch figure of this model, I'd be a happy camper!

    Anywho, excuse my brain-dump review - overall I give Terminator Dark Fate a Five Huzzah! rating :) Get thee to a cinema fast, while showings last on the big screen!
     
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  18. Noname Given

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    No he didn't...I NEVER saw a Cat. ;)
     
  19. The Borgified Corpse

    The Borgified Corpse Admiral Admiral

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    **Decides to jump in on the last page of the thread; is immediately greeted with a long post about the Magna Carta, 18th century British politics, & the Founding Fathers. :confused::wtf: **

    Although, if they did a period Terminator film, that would be pretty awesome. Maybe something Medieval or 18th century but I think their best bet would be a western! A gritty, low budget cyberpunk western!

    I'm pretty sure that the only thing keeping them from stopping after Genisys was the hope that "Maybe bringing back Cameron will be the key to saving the franchise!"

    I'd say Dark Fate is a decent but very frustrating movie. There are some interesting ideas here--
    • Carl's remorse causing him to evolve from emotionless killing machine to something more.
    • Grace voluntarily becoming a machine in order to fight machines, essentially absorbing an essence of her hated enemy.
    • Sarah Connor dealing with the grief of losing her teenage son and having nothing left but revenge. Granted, it's an well-worn trope for action movies but Linda Hamilton brought a unique rawness to it.
    Unfortunately, none of these are actually the focus of the movie. The actual focus of the movie is just the same damn formula that we got in the first 3 movies. Except it's worse because Dani is really boring and never has the kind of emotional growth that Sarah did in the original film. She barks a few orders at people but that's it.

    Wasn't that a 2002 Twilight Zone episode? Or did The Outer Limits do one too?
     
  20. Tosk

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    Yeah, the one I remember was a Twilight Zone starring Katherine Heigl.