Spoilers Terminator: Dark Fate Review and Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by David cgc, Nov 3, 2019.

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Grade Terminator: Dark Fate

  1. A+ “Come with me if you want to live.”

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  2. A

    6 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. A-

    5 vote(s)
    9.3%
  4. B+ “I’ll be back.”

    12 vote(s)
    22.2%
  5. B

    8 vote(s)
    14.8%
  6. B-

    6 vote(s)
    11.1%
  7. C+ “Chill out, dickwad.”

    4 vote(s)
    7.4%
  8. C

    2 vote(s)
    3.7%
  9. C-

    4 vote(s)
    7.4%
  10. D+ “All you know how to create is death and destruction!”

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

    2 vote(s)
    3.7%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F “I know now why you cry.”

    4 vote(s)
    7.4%
  1. Captaindemotion

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  2. 11Alive

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    That she was going after each Terminator says she wasn't hiding from anyone as you insist. But she had to wait for the notifications to know where to go. She couldn't very well just fly around the world blindly hoping to find a Terminator. You seem to completely miss that she was the one who insisted on taking on the Rev 9 while Grace was the one who wanted to hide Dani in a mine shaft.

    My question wasn't whether there's variation in the bags, but what Carl meant by his comment. It's poor writing that the line is ambiguous. You still can't say what he meant. Was he tracking her when he took her phone out of the bag or because the bags are ineffective?
     
  3. David cgc

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    The latter. She was blocking the signal when she wasn't using it, but wasn't being careful about hiding what was going on when she did take it out to use it, so it didn't really matter that the phone was disconnected when it was idle.

    That article really pretzeled itself up to turn "The movie didn't do well enough for a sequel, so I don't expect to be in another one, but either way is fine by me" into "take this role and shove it."
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    She was hiding from everyone.

    But she didn't have to hide form the future any more if they did this one last boss killing fight, and killed the boss.

    Google says the chip bags block gps.

    But you can still get pinged by anyone in law enforcement or the telephone company, where they triangulate you from cell towers.
     
  5. Starbreaker

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    With the popularity of Rotten Tomatoes, you can make a snap judgment on whether a movie is going to be good or not once the reviews come in. I bet most studios will start paying down embargos on movies they're not entirely sure of.
     
  6. crookeddy

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    Welcome to 10 years ago?
     
  7. Mr. Adventure

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    Rented this last night, it does not make a good first impression with conspicuous CGI and fidgety action scenes. It actually does settle down as it goes on and becomes more watchable even if never exactly compelling. Mackenzie Davis makes for a striking heroine with her lanky features and the southwestern settings are a nice contrast. I liked when Gabriel Luna would unnervingly turn on the charm, I think they could've played on that more but as a Terminator he didn't have that singular focus of Arnie or Robert Patrick. I was surprised by the opening sequence but Linda Hamilton seemed more angered by a family riff than haunted in her later interactions. I think there was a germ of something good here and it was OK but felt it could've been more.

    I do think they've kind of reached a limit with the whole liquid terminator schtick. The separate endoskeleton and skin was an interesting idea but I think they should've shown some more distinct limitations in each mode.
     
  8. Starbreaker

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    I mean more than just the horrible January horror films.
     
  9. crookeddy

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    Every movie that studios don't think will be reviewed well have review embargos until Tuesday, or even Thursday of their release week...
     
  10. Gaith

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    Agreed. What if Legion had sent many liquid metal terminators, but none were all that strong? Our heroes would be second-guessing everyone at all points, wearing themselves down with exhaustion and paranoia, at least until meeting up with Carl, who could keep an eye on the lot of them without resting. That would have been a different spin. But even given how impervious the T-1000 was to injury, the Rev-9 shrugged off seemingly endless punishment without even glitching, like the 1000 did in the factory.

    PS. Oh, and Hollywood, wanna know how to not lose $120m on a Terminator movie? Try not spending $185m to make it in the first place! As much as I enjoyed seeing Arnie and Linda (briefly) reunited, I think I'd have been even more intrigued to see a sequel budgeted at only, say, $50m. That would almost certainly have brought a fresh energy, after several mega-budget continuations/attempted restarts.
     
  11. thribs

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    Genysis was better.
     
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  12. crookeddy

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    Yeah, if we get grounded action instead of Terminators flying through helicopters into the Hoover Dam, I think we'd be ok with it. Some shooting, a car chase or 2, and tension is all we really need.
     
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  13. Reverend

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    Finally got around to watching this now that it's on home video and I liked it! Bit of a shock since the trailers didn't impress me all that much; they made it look like a bit of a retread of Genisys. Honestly, of the four post T2 movies, this is far and away the best. Good characterisation, good pacing, good action and a fairly tight plot.

    My only real criticism is that it relied a little too heavily on action to keep things moving. T1&2 had a nice quiet lull in the second act to let the audience catch it's breath and let the characters grow a little before running headlong into the finale. This movie seems determined to do as little of that as possible, pausing only to regurgitate exposition as if it's embarrassed to not have and explosion on screen for more than 5 mins at a stretch.
    Don't get me wrong, there was definitely plenty of character moments and the two new principles were fully realised three dimensional characters...but only just.

    I was however a little disappointed in the reveal that Dani was just a substitute John Conner. From the comment her boss at the factory made I thought they were setting her up to be some genius engineer; that in this new future the most valuable person isn't just some military leader, but someone that can *think* humanity out of barbarism and turn the machines' tech back against them (hence the much more well equipped resistance we get a glimpse of.) This works too, and it's better than her being another walking womb of destiny, but I guess I was hoping for something a little different that either of those things.

    Random thoughts: -
    • Who were those other Terminators that Sarah has been killing all this time sent after? They were all sent into post 1997 NOT Judgement Day, so odds are they were sent by Legion, but against who?
    • What was the deal with Major Dean? How does Sarah (one of America's most wanted) have the trust of a USAF intelligence officer? Indeed that whole subplot felt rather pointless since the weapon is destroyed almost as soon as they get it and Dean is neither seen nor mentioned again. If I had to guess that's a relic from an earlier draft where the Major was a more involved character, and in said draft (and again, this is just me guessing) his name would have been Danny Dyson. That at least would make more sense, no?
    • I guess we're going with the theatrical cut of T2 as the canon instead of the special edition, since there's no way "Carl" could have set his chip to "write" mode by himself. IIRC in the theatrical cut, "Uncle Bob" learning to be more human is just a thing that happens naturally.
    • How is Carl detecting these temporal whatevermajiggers in the first place? Seems odd for an off the rack T-800 to have that kind of capability. I mean in the old timeline, only Skynet had time travel tech and it was a desperate, last ditch effort before Conner finished it off. Kyle and "Bob" were sent after the fact, so Skynet would have no knowledge of other travellers...unless this is post T3 and the T-X gave proto-Skynet future knowledge and...oh no, I've gone cross-eyed...
     
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  14. Tosk

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    Theatrical has always been the "real" T2. And as much as I love most of the additions, the chip scene ignores T1 just a little bit, which I find to be a bit of a bummer. But then we do get the Reese cameo, which is awesome. Swings and roundabouts. ;)
     
  15. Reverend

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    How so? I mean if we follow the logic of T2:SE then the original T-800's chip would also have been set to "read only". And it's not like he had anywhere near enough non-murdery human contact to start to learn anyway, nor would it affect the Cyberdyne paradox plot since the chip was smashed and inoperable anyway.
     
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    Yes, a slap in the face is better than a punch in the face I suppose.
     
  17. Reverend

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    Genysis felt a lot more like a dose of thorazine. I can barely remember anything specific from it besides two or three scenes. A shame since it started with an interesting premise, but went off the rails fairly quickly. Reeks of an elevator pitch which they never actually bothered to make a third act for, just threw a bunch of random twists and hope it clocks in at 2hrs...
     
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    Because we see the Terminator in T1 learning/writing to a certain extent. (It adds new verbal responses to the options list after hearing them said.) Therefore, the "read only" explanation is incongruous.
     
  19. The Borgified Corpse

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    Robert Patrick was especially good at reaching that uncanny valley. He seemed human enough but there was something unnerving that you couldn't quite put your finger on.

    Yeah, I feel like Genisys and Dark Fate have opposite problems.
    Genisys is just throwing out every idea they can think of to see what sticks. And whenever you catch something and say, "Ooh, that's interesting. Tell me more about that," the movie seems totally unable to follow through.
    Dark Fate teases some interesting ideas but then breezes past them to indulge in more of the usual formula.

    There's been some talk of franchise fatigue and how Dark Fate was affected at the box office by the last 3 movies that this film retconned out of existence. I would agree that, if we lived in an alternate timeline where no other movies had been made since T2, we would be having a different conversation. Granted, I think it would still be viewed as a disappointment because NOTHING compares to the quality of the first 2. But I think that, had we gone a solid 28 years without a Terminator film, a lot of people would have been, at least initially, happy just to have the franchise back at all. Then this movie would have done numbers closer to T3 or Salvation. But since this was the 4th film in 16 years and the cycle seems to be getting shorter between installments, it didn't have the luxury of relying on just the name brand alone, but I feel like that's all the movie did.

    That scene is actually one of my favorites, where we see the T-800 going through a bunch of possible responses:
    Yes/No
    Or what
    Please come back later
    Fuck you
    Fuck you, asshole
     
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  20. David cgc

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    The joy of the Terminator franchise embracing the idea that there's no such thing as a perfect time loop means that not only can all the contradictory sequels be canon, the contradictory cuts of individual movies can all be canon.
     
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