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TAS’ Beyond The Farthest Star alien ship...

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In the Arts forum I am presently in the process of trying to 3D model the alien ship seen in TAS’ “Beyond The Farthest Star,” one of my favourite TAS episodes.

Yet while I was modelling I couldn’t help but wonder about the nature of this vessel and what happened to it. It’s quite asymmetrical in form (when we see it) and doesn’t appear to have any discernible logic to it’s configuration. Many of the pods are of varying sizes and shapes and the “vines” are arranged apparently haphazardly. Indeed, the ship looks somewhat twisted as if contorted in pain. Of course, all this lends the ship a genuinely alien character that makes little to no sense whatsoever to our human mindset. As such this is one of the most truly exotic alien designs ever to grace the screen of television and film SF.



There is little easy access from one pod to another, so what kind of vessel was this? Could it have been a colonization ship, a cargo transport, troop carrier, explorer—what?

Did they get trapped by the negative star mass by accident (as the Enterprise did) or was it deliberate to maroon the alien entity? Also, since the entity can exist and survive without a habitable environment, what was the point of blowing all the pods open? Seems a crummy way to commit mass suicide once you figure you will never escape the negative star mass. Or perhaps the entity caused the pods to blow open and thus killing the crew, but then why risk seriously damaging the ship if there is even a remote chance of escape?

A pity the alien ship was destroyed before any logs/records could have been retrieved. Then again that might be why the entity used the Enterprise’s phasers to destroy the vessel, to prevent any further investigations. And seing how the entity could be vindictive it could also have destroyed the alien ship as a final act of retaliation against the long dead crew who had frustrated and marooned it.

Thoughts anyone?
 
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Spock speculates the ship must have warp drive - but I think we could take that as "she must have at least warp drive", and feel free to assume that she has more advanced means of getting places. Perhaps there is no propulsion, just a get-there device that skips the tedious part of moving?

That the ship can't escape the dead star isn't attributed to the star, or to performance failings of the ship; it's probably due to the malevolent entity exclusively. That is, from the brief log entry, it appears to be due to the altruist ethics of the crew, as applied to the presence of the entity: they can't risk ever leaving, and must self-destruct instead. Which makes it likely that the explosions are the doing of the crew, down to the final one that jeopardized the boarding party and thus may have been intended as a quarantine measure.

It would be fun to speculate that the multi-podded structure tells of a mission of quarantine to being with: perhaps these folks went to the dead star in this special compartmentalized ship order to capture and study its dangerous inhabitant? And perhaps they succeeded, only the creature then began causing the ship to move towards the dead star (the one threat the log mentions), perhaps in a blackmail gambit to get the crew to fly/jump to safety and thus set the entity free.

Timo Saloniemi
 
One thing I wondered was whether the ship could alter its its form—reconfigure itself for different purposes. I like the idea that perhaps it has a form of jump drive rather than a more familiar FTL drive given no discernible drive components that we can recognize.
 
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The villain entity seems to be directly related to the "God-like" entity in STV:TFF. Both are disembodied and both need a starship to escape their confinement (imprisoned?). There also seems to be a limitation to their space jumping range and both seem to need a ship-host for their essence; "Bring the ship closer."
 
Many of the pods are of varying sizes and shapes and the “vines” are arranged apparently haphazardly. Indeed, the ship looks somewhat twisted as if contorted in pain.

That's one conclusion.

Another conclusion is that it looks organic. Perhaps the ship was grown and not constructed.

Uhura had the opposite reaction than pain.

UHURA: It's beautiful. What kind of people could have built it, to touch even a starship with grace and beauty?
 
The villain entity seems to be directly related to the "God-like" entity in STV:TFF. Both are disembodied and both need a starship to escape their confinement (imprisoned?). There also seems to be a limitation to their space jumping range and both seem to need a ship-host for their essence; "Bring the ship closer."
Good point on the very similar alien "issues" of both stories. Wasn’t there another tas show about an alien trapped on a planet ?
 
*Groan* I never liked “The Practical Joker.” Only noteworthy thing about it is the introduction of the recreational holodeck—an idea they had during TOS’ production, but never tried showing.
 
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*Groan* I never liked “The Practical Joker.” Only noteworthy thing about it is the introduction of the recreational holodeck—an idea they had during TOS’ production, but never tried showing.
Absolutely. I wish there had been a TOS episode featuring the Recreation Holo room. Somewhere on TMP Recreation Deck would have been a wonderful time to glimpse it too.


Blizzard in the Rec Room/Holodeck.:crazy:
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Given we had seen TOS pull off decent examples of illusions then I have little doubt they could have pulled off a form of holodeck. You could wonder if the idea to include it in a story had ever been even discussed, but given the budgetary concerns they likely nixed any idea that wasn’t really necessary.
 
A holodeck would have been among the cheapest illusions possible, probably. Just haul suitable stock set elements to an Enterprise context, dress up a number of extras, have them freeze till commanded by the characters to move, and call it all a holographic projection in dialog.

If absolutely necessary, do a couple of simple appear/disappear effects. But possibly only in the first-ever episode to feature the "technology". By the third season, with its cautiously increasing number of sets but also of not-quite-purely-episodic structure with clear callbacks to the earlier seasons, the idea of an "introductory" episode (say, "And the Children Shall Lead" or somesuch with a peek into the recreational side of starship life) would be conceivable. And the "following" ones could well do without the appear/disappear tricks.

It's rather a pity that TAS didn't go even wilder with the simulated environment idea. As matters stand, we might be in the belief that the state of the art could only do landscapes, not characters...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Did TAS need a holo-deck? They had animation.
I'm probably Robinson Crusoe hdre but I didn't think the holo-deck was all that good except in Voyager when it was used for recreation and simulations.
In TNG and DS( it just seemed to be used for boring captain fantasies and sexcapades.
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In The Making of Star Trek they discussed the idea of holograms used for communication as well as recreation such that one was immersed in the entertainment rather than just watching a screen. That means they envisioned people in the illusion as well as scenery.
 
And the putative live action version no doubt would have had those from the get-go. Which makes it all the weirder that TAS didn't do more. (Of course, DSC now has retroactively established that "they could have"!)

Holograms in TAS are not at direct odds with our TOS heroes encountering alien holograms and being somewhat confused by them. All this tells us is that holography in Trek is good, and alien and UFP versions alike are allowed to be good enough to briefly fool our heroes. It's not as if Kirk ever were demonstrably "in awe" of the light shows or anything. But it's fun to have the 2260s simulation only ever appear in cartoon form, so that we can argue it wasn't quite pitch perfect after all, from the in-universe POV. (And again DSC then gives us comfortably less-than-perfect, except when it's a limited static application like the whole-body mirror.)

It would have been impossible for TOS to do less-than-perfect!

Timo Saloniemi
 
In The Making of Star Trek they discussed the idea of holograms used for communication as well as recreation such that one was immersed in the entertainment rather than just watching a screen. That means they envisioned people in the illusion as well as scenery.

Really? Interesting. I was wondering when the idea of holographic entertainment became a thing or idea.
 
Really? Interesting. I was wondering when the idea of holographic entertainment became a thing or idea.
Being in TMOST then this idea was around in 1967-68 if not earlier given TMOST was published in 1968 between the second and third seasons.
 
I saw Time Trap the other week and noticed Spock mentioning the Klingon's Cloaking Device!!! That must be the first evidence in the series that the Klingons also have that technology! :klingon:
JB
 
I saw Time Trap the other week and noticed Spock mentioning the Klingon's Cloaking Device!!! That must be the first evidence in the series that the Klingons also have that technology! :klingon:
JB
The Romulans are using Klingon ships in “The Enterprise Incident.” What did the Klingons get in exchange?
 
Also, "The Lorelei Signal" refers to "recent joint discussions" with the Klingon and Romulan empires, paving ground for further hijinks on government level even if every episode until this has presented at least the Romulans as purebred foes and villains who betray everybody.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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