Tardigrade lawsuit appealed

[BillJ]

Like seriously, how fucking empty must their lives be to carry on like this?

I guess everyone gets up in the morning for different things. It is sad that this is their "thing", but I guess is less destructive than a lot of other things could be.

I don't follow any of them, I only know of their existence through being a member here.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

had. To look that one up. For anybody interested
. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/but-not-simpler/how-tardigrades-saved-the-enterprise/

Thanks. I was too sleepy to look for it myself.

Once you put tardigrades on the Enterprise, they can fulfill any function. We've had consciousnesses inhabit the main computer. We've had Barclay act as the computer. We've had humans fuse their consciousnesses with machines. We've had the Traveller, who could make the Enterprise travel extraordinary distances with thought. The article puts tardigrades in the position of being able to effect the operation of the warp engines. It's just a small jump to say they are effectively the engines.

 

[Midquest]

I'm sure there would be tons of evidence, like character notes, a show bible and concept art that CBS could produce to prove that the idea for a tardigrade character was reached independently.

I find this whole situation really sad. Not for Abdin, but for how star trek fans are behaving. It really is disgusting that a segment of the fanbase want to cancel/damage a Star Trek series, because its not the way they want it to be. They really are just a bunch of petulant man-children. Like seriously, how fucking empty must their lives be to carry on like this?

This is the combination of factors that really appalls me. The smallest amount of research would demonstrate to Abdin or his proponents that their argument is rather improbable. When evidence is presented, they decry the evidence-bearers as trolls and shills. It's the kind of reaction that seems to me like a complete breakdown in communication.

Which is why even if Abdin's case was "undismissed" they could slap his main argument down with as little as the raw footage including the clapper thingies with the dates on it.

I wonder if it's ultimately a case of wanting to believe the narrative in which you have invested because to acknowledge that it might have been wrong, even to yourself, is too much for personal pride. There's at least some portion of the population who also seem to be holding onto this out of some fear that media trends and politics have left them behind, or are even part of a conspiracy--which, while I'm sure isn't representative of everyone supporting Abdin by ANY means, does crop up regularly in the YouTube comments.

At any rate, I felt sorry for Abdin up to the point where he began adopting the language of the toxic fandom fringe. Maybe I still do feel sorry for him. It seems like a case or people goading and taking advantage of other people, and it's grossly un-Trek-like.

 

[Krandor]

This is the combination of factors that really appalls me. The smallest amount of research would demonstrate to Abdin or his proponents that their argument is rather improbable. When evidence is presented, they decry the evidence-bearers as trolls and shills. It's the kind of reaction that seems to me like a complete breakdown in communication.



I wonder if it's ultimately a case of wanting to believe the narrative in which you have invested because to acknowledge that it might have been wrong, even to yourself, is too much for personal pride. There's at least some portion of the population who also seem to be holding onto this out of some fear that media trends and politics have left them behind, or are even part of a conspiracy--which, while I'm sure isn't representative of everyone supporting Abdin by ANY means, does crop up regularly in the YouTube comments.

At any rate, I felt sorry for Abdin up to the point where he began adopting the language of the toxic fandom fringe. Maybe I still do feel sorry for him. It seems like a case or people goading and taking advantage of other people, and it's grossly un-Trek-like.

completely agree. I’m sure he got upset when he saw tardigrades on dsc and realized when his game released people would think he got the idea from there and had concerns about being sued. The finding sued isn’t happening now so he’s good.

sometimes things are just coincidences like the two people who both created Dennis the menace comics separately.

 

[DaveyNY]

It's becoming Abdin's "Obsession" at this point.

And we have seen what that can do to the most intelligent of people in Trek stories themselves.

 

[fireproof78]

It's becoming Abdin's "Obsession" at this point.

And we have seen what that can do to the most intelligent of people in Trek stories themselves.

A "White Wale" if you will?

 

[Cake]

Honestly I'm not certain what was ever stopping him from completing his game.

Lack of money? Talent? Not enough interest of potential players?

I mean the game looks cheap. Like made in the 90s or earlier. There are so many game apps which cost nothing (though they like you to watch commercials and/or do in-game purchases) which look much better. Not to mention games which cost money to play and tend to be of an even higher quality.

 

[Campe]

Lack of money? Talent? Not enough interest of potential players?

I mean the game looks cheap. Like made in the 90s or earlier. There are so many game apps which cost nothing (though they like you to watch commercials and/or do in-game purchases) which look much better. Not to mention games which cost money to play and tend to be of an even higher quality.

I guess its actually a genre that some players play. I don't. But I don't have a ton of time for video games these days. And the point is, he was an independent game maker. He might have been doing it for profit but he had a long way to go before we was going to get there. I don't know the specifics of the program he was involved in with Steam and if he might see any money out of it later on.

 

[Tuskin38]

I mean the game looks cheap. Like made in the 90s or earlier.

There is a market for games with nostalgic graphics.

 

[Maurice]

There is a market for games with nostalgic graphics.

Yeah. At this point the limitations imposed by the hardware have become style, much like mosaic tile.

Roberta Williams—co-founder of Sierra On-Line, which made Space Quest, etc.—saw some animation I did in 1988 and said to me, "You want a job?"

I stupidly did not say "yes".

 

[Jedi_Master]

There's plenty of money to be made these days peddling fake (or genuine) outrage.

That is what is fueling Mr. Abdin and his supporters.

 

[Krandor]

There's plenty of money to be made these days peddling fake (or genuine) outrage.

That is what is fueling Mr. Abdin and his supporters.

the money is the supported. Abdin I think based on some of his posts is insecure and I think he’s loving getting this much attention and doesn’t want it to end.

 

[fireproof78]

Lack of money? Talent? Not enough interest of potential players?

I mean the game looks cheap. Like made in the 90s or earlier. There are so many game apps which cost nothing (though they like you to watch commercials and/or do in-game purchases) which look much better. Not to mention games which cost money to play and tend to be of an even higher quality.

The market for nostalgia is quite strong at the moment.

 

[Krandor]

The market for nostalgia is quite strong at the moment.

Yeah just look at chris roberts and star citizen.

 

[Therin of Andor]

here's the photo in question: https://twitter.com/CenterWillHold/status/917239269349052416?s=20

"Wh-wh-what are you d-d-doing t-to my b-b-body?" by Ian McLean, on Flickr

 

[carlosp]

…bring back True Trek stars like Kate Vernon*

*Nothing against Kate, but obviously she was never in Star Trek..

Umm, she most certainly was.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Valerie_Archer

played by Kate Vernon

 

[F. King Daniel]

Umm, she most certainly was.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Valerie_Archer

played by Kate Vernon

I stand corrected.

 

[Phoenix219]

Yeah. At this point the limitations imposed by the hardware have become style, much like mosaic tile.

Roberta Williams—co-founder of Sierra On-Line, which made Space Quest, etc.—saw some animation I did in 1988 and said to me, "You want a job?"

I stupidly did not say "yes".

Retro games are great. There are a ton of fan games that are on par with anything official - SMBX, Am2R, some great Castlevania and Megaman fangames.... plus legit stuff like Bloodstained, Axiom Verge, Cave Story, Megaman 9 and 10, stuff like that....

 

[Therin of Andor]

This is the combination of factors that really appalls me. The smallest amount of research would demonstrate to Abdin or his proponents that their argument is rather improbable.

I can certainly relate to his situation. In 1980, I had found fandom (via "The Motion Picture"), joined the big local Trek club and spent several weeks writing my first ever fanfic. It won second prize in the club's Literary Competition of 1981 and ended up getting illustrated and published in their fanzine (in February 1982). In December 1982, after a longish hiatus, a Pocket Books' original Trek novel, "Black Fire" by Sonni Cooper, was released. Yes, the one where Spock becomes a renegade pirate.

A former work colleague, who was back in the USA by then, bought me a copy in San Francisco and sent it by airmail, so I had it at least three months before any other local fans. (The bookshops here used to sea freight their books in those days.)

To my bewilderment, the more-sedate, ship-based subplot of "Black Fire" paralleled my short story in at least 13 ways, right down to exploding bridge consoles in the "teaser" and a new, temporary First Officer of the USS Enterprise called Thorin. (My character was an Andorian, Therin; his fanfic debut.) As a newbie fan, so excited to own and read the latest licensed novel, it was crazy to find so many touchstones to my own story. I reasoned that there was no way that Sonni Cooper had access to my fanfic, nor would she need/want to. My story was still in longhand as she was typing her manuscript. Indeed, probably her book was already submitted and undergoing editing before I even started writing mine.

I wrote it off as a series of coincidental, random choices. Or, both of us tapping into the Cosmic Consciousness. It was certainly proof to me that the unlikely can happen. I bet if the Internet was around in 1982, I'd have been more suspicious.