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Synthesizers

GalaxyX

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I was watching "Who watches the watchers" today, and listening to the musical score, the synthesizer bits really liven up the whole thing!

I can't believe there's actually people that hated them in the series? :confused:

The "Mintakan theme" with the Panfluty sounds really give their scenes that feeling of "Noble people who want their god to like and protect them"

I miss the synthesizer :(
 
Yeah, I love the synthesizer. Yes, it's obvious, but it added flavor, something that went out the window once Rick Berman decided music had to stay in the background and not present itself as anything other than wallpaper.


J.
 
I like them too!! i think they add a nice change/reinforcement to the usual orchestral scores.
 
I love the great orchestral themes that the Star Trek shows begin with. And I know that'll never change--
Cause I got faith of the heart
I’m going where my heart will take me
I got faith to believe I can do anything.
I got strength of the soul and no one’s gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star. I got faith. Faith of the heart.:brickwall:
 
Synthesizers dated the show horribly.

Can't wrap my head around the otherwise great Trek moments made instantly cringeworthy by a Roland D-50 stock preset.

Goldsmith, in much of his score work, used synthesizers to come up with interesting "other worldy" sounds that worked to enhance the score. When it called attention to itself, it served as a motif on its own, or a punctuation that could send chills up your spine.
His ability to move beyond the stock sounds and come up with something unique made the score to TMP, for example, timeless.
The television composers never acheived that. Its use never really served any real purpose and never went out of its way to be unusual. It was preset after preset. If I still had a D-50 around, I could probably tell you which patches were used in each episode. It's kind of like when ARP and Crumar had their "string ensemble" synthesizers, and composers decided, "Hey we don't need to hire any string players, when we can just play this thing." And they did. Often. Did they fool anyone into thinking they were real?? This kind of practice continues to this day.

Now, granted.. Synths have come a long way since the introduction of the Theremin in the late 20's and the Optigan in the silent film days. Synths can make some great organic and inorganic noises. There are many sci-fi composers who knew what to do with them and then there were Trek composers.
 
Goldsmith, in much of his score work, used synthesizers to come up with interesting "other worldy" sounds that worked to enhance the score. When it called attention to itself, it served as a motif on its own, or a punctuation that could send chills up your spine. The television composers never acheived that. Its use never really served any real purpose and never went out of its way to be unusual. It was preset after preset. If I still had a D-50 around

I see where you're coming from. What you're saying is that they needed to add a Korg M1 to their arsenal :guffaw:

But joking aside, I didn't find the synth scores grating. repetitive yes maybe a little, but grating, never.

I always laugh at how musicians get mocked for using preset patches on Synth equipment by "non synth" musicians, who go home and play their acoustic instruments that have "one" patch setup to them: Whatever acoustic sound they came "preset" (AKA designed) with.

No one ever tells a trumpet guy to get a new trumpet because the one he has sounds soooo overused, or the same to a Sax player, or even a Piano player. But the synth guys get blasted for playing a Roland D-50 stock patch like "Fantasia" or "Soundscape" even though they are excellent sounds.

I'm more of a musician than I am an engineer when it comes to music. I've made my own patches in my own equipment, but it's usually tweaking stuff to my liking.

I also happen to love the D-50 and used to have one. Eventually it did get outdated and I replaced it with an XP-30, which I still have.
 
Goldsmith, in much of his score work, used synthesizers to come up with interesting "other worldy" sounds that worked to enhance the score. When it called attention to itself, it served as a motif on its own, or a punctuation that could send chills up your spine. The television composers never acheived that. Its use never really served any real purpose and never went out of its way to be unusual. It was preset after preset. If I still had a D-50 around

I see where you're coming from. What you're saying is that they needed to add a Korg M1 to their arsenal :guffaw:

But joking aside, I didn't find the synth scores grating. repetitive yes maybe a little, but grating, never.

I always laugh at how musicians get mocked for using preset patches on Synth equipment by "non synth" musicians, who go home and play their acoustic instruments that have "one" patch setup to them: Whatever acoustic sound they came preset with.

I'm more of a musician than I am an engineer when it comes to music. I've made my own patches in my own equipment, but it's usually tweaking stuff to my liking.

I also happen to love the D-50 and used to have one. Eventually it did get outdated and I replaced it with an XP-30, which I still have.

I'm not mocking though. I own more synths than I know what to with. With the exception of one patch on my DX-7 (The Tub Erupt sound-most recognizable as the "Do They Know it's Christmas" patch), I rarely use preset sounds. Sure, if I need a piano or something.. There is always some room for tweeking, especially if you want something unique. The TOS composers did this with a vengeance. They were able to pluck a nylon string, feed it through a bunch of tape echo and BOOM, You had Talosians..
They took great pains to come up with something different and exciting.

The scoring for much Television in the late 80s-Mid 90s suffers from a vacuum of creative thought. It wasn't just Berman. The industry as a whole had so very few creative minds on the scoring stage...and when they *were* creative, they were often tempermental and difficult and couldn't get things done on time. The result is less adventurous scores all around.

I guess it just comes down to taste. I have never found modern television scores that engaging. Scores were more interesting in the seventies, when composers tried to write beyond the budget and capture something effectively without resorting to cheesy synth, whose only purpose for some composers was to "replace" a musician or group of musicians they couldn't afford.

By the way.. I never said I found them grating.. Cheesy? Yes. The reason they sound horribly dated is the lack of creativity, on the part of the composer, to push the limits of the technology beyond dialing up a preset and sending the horn players home.
 
One of my favorite ST:TNG scores.

Ron Jones is synths on TNG were a hit or miss. Sometiems they serviced the score well like Goldsmith ("The Best of Both Worlds" anyone?), but sometimes in the episodes they grated on my nerves and did NOT service the episode at alll and were distracting ("Datalore").


While Goldsmith was the master at utilizing synths to enhance scores (something I pointed out myself at another board), he was not the only one. Christophe Beck did it very well on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer with synths (and the designs were extremely well done and affective at communicatingg emotion) -- he even won and Emmy for his work.
 
One of my favorite ST:TNG scores.

Ron Jones is synths on TNG were a hit or miss. Sometiems they serviced the score well like Goldsmith ("The Best of Both Worlds" anyone?), but sometimes in the episodes they grated on my nerves and did NOT service the episode at alll and were distracting ("Datalore").


While Goldsmith was the master at utilizing synths to enhance scores (something I pointed out myself at another board), he was not the only one. Christophe Beck did it very well on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer with synths (and the designs were extremely well done and affective at communicatingg emotion) -- he even won and Emmy for his work.

It's interesting you mention Beck.. He was a student of Goldsmith. I never got into Buffy, so I'll take your word for it.

I think Ron Jones' TNG efforts are highly overrated. He is much better doing comedy shows.
 
Goldsmith, in much of his score work, used synthesizers to come up with interesting "other worldy" sounds that worked to enhance the score. When it called attention to itself, it served as a motif on its own, or a punctuation that could send chills up your spine. The television composers never acheived that. Its use never really served any real purpose and never went out of its way to be unusual. It was preset after preset. If I still had a D-50 around
I see where you're coming from. What you're saying is that they needed to add a Korg M1 to their arsenal :guffaw:

But joking aside, I didn't find the synth scores grating. repetitive yes maybe a little, but grating, never.

I always laugh at how musicians get mocked for using preset patches on Synth equipment by "non synth" musicians, who go home and play their acoustic instruments that have "one" patch setup to them: Whatever acoustic sound they came preset with.

I'm more of a musician than I am an engineer when it comes to music. I've made my own patches in my own equipment, but it's usually tweaking stuff to my liking.

I also happen to love the D-50 and used to have one. Eventually it did get outdated and I replaced it with an XP-30, which I still have.

I'm not mocking though. I own more synths than I know what to with. With the exception of one patch on my DX-7 (The Tub Erupt sound-most recognizable as the "Do They Know it's Christmas" patch), I rarely use preset sounds. Sure, if I need a piano or something.. There is always some room for tweeking, especially if you want something unique. The TOS composers did this with a vengeance. They were able to pluck a nylon string, feed it through a bunch of tape echo and BOOM, You had Talosians..
They took great pains to come up with something different and exciting.

The scoring for much Television in the late 80s-Mid 90s suffers from a vacuum of creative thought. It wasn't just Berman. The industry as a whole had so very few creative minds on the scoring stage...and when they *were* creative, they were often tempermental and difficult and couldn't get things done on time. The result is less adventurous scores all around.

I guess it just comes down to taste. I have never found modern television scores that engaging. Scores were more interesting in the seventies, when composers tried to write beyond the budget and capture something effectively without resorting to cheesy synth, whose only purpose for some composers was to "replace" a musician or group of musicians they couldn't afford.

By the way.. I never said I found them grating.. Cheesy? Yes. The reason they sound horribly dated is the lack of creativity, on the part of the composer, to push the limits of the technology beyond dialing up a preset and sending the horn players home.

The synths still sound refreshing today...to this day, the music scoring for Datalore and 11001001 are some of the best I've ever heard.
 
The synths still sound refreshing today...to this day, the music scoring for Datalore and 11001001 are some of the best I've ever heard.

I think so too. While number6 does make a couple of valid points, I suppose in the end it's all user preferences. If you happen to like the synthy sounds, you'll like the synth scoring.

If on the other hand, you've already got preconceived notions about how Sci-Fi shows should be scored (with only orchestral instruments) then you'll hate the synth sounds even if they are well done.
 
My opinions about TNG using synths have nothing to do with any preconceptions about how sci-fi should be scored.
I think the synth sounds used in many TNG scores (particularly the first two seasons) sound pretty unimaginitive.

I cited TMP's score as one that uses synths pretty well. TNG didn't.

I happen to like quite a few synthy sounds, just very few that wound up on TNG.
 
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