Supernatural5x13 "The Song Remains the Same" spoiler discussion thread

[Dorian Thompson]

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I think Castiel's "friendship" with Sam basically is only an extension of his friendship with Dean. He and Dean are friends, and since it's your good friend's younger sibling, you sort of count them in even if you aren't close. Does that make any sense?

 

[Snaploud]

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I'm beginning to think that maybe that's their real goal. Despite all evidence pointing to the angels being corrupt and mental, they sure go out of their way to not kill the people they're trying to kill. All Anna (or Uriel for that matter) had to do was manifest in their true form and both John and Mary would have gone kablooie with no way to fight back, especially if it was the first thing she did after arriving. No effort whatsoever on their part.

I don't think the angels like to leave their hosts. It's very risky in that the host might not let them back in... Plus, she had traveled back into the past...There may be additional risks to leaving the host.

 

[Checkmate]

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GREAT episode! It did leave me with a question, which probably won't be an issue but it's something that made me think. If being a 'true vessel' goes by bloodlines, as we've seen with Jimmy and his daughter and now John and Dean, does that mean that Sam is also a possible vessel for Michael? By the same virtue, could Dean be another alternate vessel for Lucifer? Is it a first born thing, or for Lucifer whoever broke the last seal?

That whole line was really goofy. They've been saying some really weird things lately that makes no sense.

I mean, if it's just having Cain and Abel's blood in them, everyone on the planet should be a suitable host. Hell, mathemetically, we should all have some of Charlemagne's blood in us and that was only a few hundred years ago. Considering that if you assume the bible's stories are true, there's no way possible for anyone to not be one of their offspring.

 

[Snaploud]

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GREAT episode! It did leave me with a question, which probably won't be an issue but it's something that made me think. If being a 'true vessel' goes by bloodlines, as we've seen with Jimmy and his daughter and now John and Dean, does that mean that Sam is also a possible vessel for Michael? By the same virtue, could Dean be another alternate vessel for Lucifer? Is it a first born thing, or for Lucifer whoever broke the last seal?

That whole line was really goofy. They've been saying some really weird things lately that makes no sense.

I mean, if it's just having Cain and Abel's blood in them, everyone on the planet should be a suitable host. Hell, mathemetically, we should all have some of Charlemagne's blood in us and that was only a few hundred years ago. Considering that if you assume the bible's stories are true, there's no way possible for anyone to not be one of their offspring.

Putting aside what the bloodline might mean (which could have little to do with DNA considering we're talking about mystical beings)...

Michael didn't say that everybody in the bloodline was a "true vessel." He said that he had multiple vessels based upon the bloodline but that Dean was his "true vessel"...

 

[Checkmate]

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That's what I was talking about. Taking his word as gospel, everyone is a valid vessel for him since everyone is a direct descendant of Cain and Abel.

 

[mswood]

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That's what I was talking about. Taking his word as gospel, everyone is a valid vessel for him since everyone is a direct descendant of Cain and Abel.

That is true genetically, but we honestly don't know what Michael specifically meant. For example, why is Sam, Mary and Azazel so perfect combo, versus Dean, Mary and Azazel (or any of the combinations that were out there).

Did other events (like Sam's baptism) need to happen in Dean's case (something), is it something that only is active genetically speaking in one person per generation (which would explain a possible 16 year cycle that Azazel might have been operating on).

It's like Azazel calling other Demon's his children, are they truly his children (which is a possibility) or does it refer to something that is not strictly biology?

After all if Michael is right and each single action/reaction that has lead to these events are planned out, then we have no idea how long forces have been shaping these two brothers lives. Or in what form.

 

[mswood]

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A few other notes:

I love that Sam is completely open to his death being a very real option. I don't want that to be dropped or forgotten (in fact I do actually want to see Sam try and take his own life).

I love that Mary was shown as the better fighter, though that fight could very well have terminated her unborn child.

In "In the Beginning" I really, really liked the actress playing Mary, but this time I want to state how well the actor playing John was this time. With so many faces he got to play, I honestly didn't think he would pull it off.

Also didn't realize at first that Uriel's host is supposed to be the same one he takes years later (just of course much younger).

Also liked Castiel's defense of Sam. I have never gotten the idea that Castiel didn't like Sam. In fact in many ways I find his and Sam's view of being willing to do anything to achieve their goals a common trait. And I can certainly understand the shared feelings of being manipulated to reach an end result not intended. Even when he yelled at Sam earlier this season (which I really ranted on as Castiel not making a valid comparison), I didn't feel it was because he didn't like Sam but partly from sharing much of the guilt of being used (though Sam was lied and used and never told the truth, and at some point Castiel was told the truth).

 

[Snaploud]

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A few other notes:

I love that Sam is completely open to his death being a very real option. I don't want that to be dropped or forgotten (in fact I do actually want to see Sam try and take his own life).

This isn't the first time Sam has talked about killing himself. Lucifer said that he would just bring Sam back to life.

 

[Servo]

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It could be worse. Sam could be mourning the death of the shapeshifter that murdered his brother and morphed into him like a certain Petrelli brother. Now that's baaaaaaad writing. What happened to the Petrellis is beyond suck. Then again, what happened to Heroes in general is pretty major suck.

No offense, but this is getting pretty tired now. You seem to bring this up for no reason in almost every thread. We get it; you don't like what they did with Sylar and the Petrelli's. With all due respect, get over it. It's done. I'm not saying I liked it any more than you did, but constantly banging on about it is starting to ruin these threads.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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I'll talk about what I want to talk about. I'm not constantly talking about it.

 

[Servo]

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Yes you are. It got old a while ago, and I bit my tongue over it, but it's just gotten so often now that it's annoying.

 

[Checkmate]

Re: Supernatural5x13 "The Song Remains the Same" spoiler discussion th

Yes you are. It got old a while ago, and I bit my tongue over it, but it's just gotten so often now that it's annoying.

I'm pretty sure people are free to discuss anything they want as long as it sticks roughly to the topic and the genre as a whole. Your personal preferences notwithstanding one iota, no matter how important and all-powerful you think you are.

On a more related note, I'm rather disappointed by most everything that's happened in Heroes myself. The writing had just gotten so wretched since the original season. I'm very, very, very glad that Supernatural isn't taking any cues whatsoever from that wretched series. The way they're handling Lucifer (who's arguably Sylar's parallel) is, in my opinion anyway, pretty damn awesome. My only problem is that both the demons and the angels seem to be playing softball with the Winchesters rather than putting their full capabilities to the task(s) at hand. Course, that's nowhere near as bad as what they're doing in Heroes where even the most obvious and simplistic solutions to a problem are completely ignored. Claire's resurrecting blood, for instance. Oy vey.

 

[Servo]

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Yes you are. It got old a while ago, and I bit my tongue over it, but it's just gotten so often now that it's annoying.

I'm pretty sure people are free to discuss anything they want as long as it sticks roughly to the topic and the genre as a whole.

Just as I'm free to point out how fucking tiresome the constant whining, often in unrelated circumstances, about Sylar/the Petrelli's is.

Your personal preferences notwithstanding one iota, no matter how important and all-powerful you think you are.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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My only problem is that both the demons and the angels seem to be playing softball with the Winchesters rather than putting their full capabilities to the task(s) at hand

Such is the problem of network television when you have to stretch things out to 22 eps instead of 10-13 eps like on your cable series. The demons and angels have to wait for sweeps. That's why I'm glad they put the Croatoan virus into play rather than Lucifer randomly destroying the Earth. Gives a reason for him not to be tromping about smiting at break neck speed; he thinks the planet is beautiful so he doesn't want it fried. The Enochian sigils on their ribs to hide them were a good idea, too. If you have to delay for sweeps to allow smiting, gotta have something in place. You have a point about how they don't seem to be going all out.

Servo, we're all free to talk about what we want in the SPN threads. They're supposed to be a friendly place. Startrekwatcher is free to disagree with us if she doesn't like the direction of the show. I'm free to bitch about Heroes in comparison. You're free to defend Heroes. Defend the story instead of telling me to shut up. We don't dictate what the other talks about, so knock it off. With Heroes it isn't whining. It's justified bitching.

 

[mswood]

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A few other notes:

I love that Sam is completely open to his death being a very real option. I don't want that to be dropped or forgotten (in fact I do actually want to see Sam try and take his own life).

This isn't the first time Sam has talked about killing himself. Lucifer said that he would just bring Sam back to life.

Yeah I was aware of that, and its why I like that it hasn't been forgotten, and I want to see that line continue, perhaps to the bitter end.

 

[Checkmate]

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Just as I'm free to point out how fucking tiresome the constant whining, often in unrelated circumstances, about Sylar/the Petrelli's is.

Unfortunately for you, despite your desperate need to think yourself somehow important, you have neither the authority nor the right to tell anyone to shut the fuck up on an Internet forum. Especially when they, unlike you, are actually sticking to the topic being discussed.

 

[Lt. Trull]

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Just as I'm free to point out how fucking tiresome the constant whining, often in unrelated circumstances, about Sylar/the Petrelli's is.

Unfortunately for you, despite your desperate need to think yourself somehow important, you have neither the authority nor the right to tell anyone to shut the fuck up on an Internet forum. Especially when they, unlike you, are actually sticking to the topic being discussed.

even betty white is tired of the petrelli crap... shut the f up about it...

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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No, I won't shut the fuck up about it. I'll mention it whenever I please. Just like Startrekwatcher can criticize, just like Othello can talk about hating comedy episodes whenever he pleases. What's up with the obnoxious shit stirring today?

Heroes sucks shit. I'll say it 1000 times if I please. Heroes sucks shit. Heroes sucks shit aaaaaand the Petrellis suck shit. The Supernatural threads are supposed to be a good place. Knock it off.

 

[Apophis]

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Anyone else get their Supernatural episodes from iTunes? This weeks had the wrong title when it auto-downloaded. It was called "Back to the Future Ii". Weird.

 

[DS9Continuing]

Re: Supernatural5x13 "The Song Remains the Same" spoiler discussion th

Yes, I remember seeing it listed as that elsewhere.

Anyway, two notes:

First, when Anna said "We have to kill Sam," my immediate first thought was, "Oh you mean like Gordon was trying to tell everyone two years ago?"

And second, I think it was a mistake to wipe the Young Winchesters' memories of the events of this episode. If John was completely ignorant of demons until this point, then I thought these events were a good way of closing that loop. But without the knowledge gained in this episode, then how does John know, when Azazel kills Mary, that a demon is responsible and not just a run of the mill housefire?

(Unless I'm misremembering the pilot - did he see Mary on the ceiling?)