Supernatural, season 11 *SPOILERS!*

[auntiehill]

This is the first time I've actually seen Dean cry. I mean the guy is tough as nails, but he got emotional talking to Chuck and asking, "Where have you been all this time?" I guess he's human.
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If this is the first time you saw Dean cry, then you have obviously not been watching Supernatural for very long.
He cried in Faith, All Hell Breaks Loose, What is and What Should Never Be, Heart (they both cried), On the Head of a Pin, Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things, Heaven and Hell, ..and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Jensen Ackles has perfected the art of the "single man tear."

 

[Gryffindorian]

I've been watching for six seasons now. Man, I must not have been paying attention.

 

[auntiehill]

Btw, someone posted a video of Chuck-God's farewell song:

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[RJDiogenes]

^^ Chuck should resurrect MTV or VH1 for the occasion.

That's a beautiful sequence. I was stunned when the cop got back up and her husband ran to her.

This was, great episode. It doesn't quite have the literally OMG shock value of last week, but still great. I love God's characterization. Sitting around in his underwear, singing old Folk tunes in the shower, eating Chinese food. My kinda God.

On the other hand, after saving the town last week, he let thousands die this week.

It was nice to see Kevin again and to see him get his just rewards-- but just what were those rewards? Did Chuck just send him to Heaven, or did he do something else? He mentioned an "upgrade." Foreshadowing?

I loved Dean's tearful challenge to Chuck and Chuck's assertion that things have indeed gotten better.

The new prophet was pretty amusing, but it was kind of strange that they just sent him away in a taxi. These guys really don't want anybody sharing their bunker. Not only would he probably be useful, but Amara probably will kill him.

And Metatron really took one for the team-- he appears to have been de-existenced. I wonder if even God could bring him back from that.

Then, finally, God and Lucifer meet. Awkward for both of them. But-- to be continued. I can't wait for that. And I also can't wait for Castiel to be restored and meet God.

 

[Icemizer]

Well if Amara wins she kills everyone so sending him away in a taxi is really no big deal at this point.

 

[auntiehill]

^
It was nice to see Kevin again and to see him get his just rewards-- but just what were those rewards? Did Chuck just send him to Heaven, or did he do something else? He mentioned an "upgrade." Foreshadowing?

The upgrade was from "the veil" to heaven. He turned into the same blue-sparkly cloud-stuff that Bobby did when he was sent upstairs.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Jeremy Carver leaving Supernatural for Frequency, Robert Singer and Andrew Dabb named new Supernatural showrunners. - http://tvline.com/2016/05/13/supernatural-season-12-jeremy-carver-leaving-showrunner/

 

[RJDiogenes]

What's the frequency, Jeremy?

The upgrade was from "the veil" to heaven. He turned into the same blue-sparkly cloud-stuff that Bobby did when he was sent upstairs.

Yeah, probably. I was just thinking that the upgrade might be from Prophet to some new kind of Angel or something-- no doubt I'm overthinking it.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

Jeremy Carver leaving Supernatural for Frequency, Robert Singer and Andrew Dabb named new Supernatural showrunners. - http://tvline.com/2016/05/13/supernatural-season-12-jeremy-carver-leaving-showrunner/

Totally on board with Bob Singer resuming his co-showrunner duties, but I have reservations about Andrew Dabb being the other half of that duo.

Dabb wrote some enjoyable episodes when he was teamed with Daniel Loflin; his solo efforts have been hit or miss. Example: he wrote the infamous "Bloodlines" -- the back-door pilot episode for a potential spinoff. The less said about that, the better.

My pick for co-showrunner would've been Robbie Thompson, who wrote the three best episodes of the last two seasons: "Fan Fiction," "Baby," & "Don't Call Me Shurley."

Though maybe it's a good thing Thompson wasn't promoted to showrunner. Supernatural's past showrunners tend to write fewer scripts per season than other members of the writing staff and, without the extra responsibilities of being showrunner, he can maintain his typical output of episodes.

 

[Mr Light]

These last two episodes with Chuck have been without a doubt the best the show has been since Season Five ended. Rob Benedict is absolutely amazing in an enigmatic and nuanced role. Finding God is the moment I've been waiting the entire series for, and it hasn't been disappointing thus far. I really hope he sticks around as a recurring character in the next season (which should really be the last season; we've met GOD at this point).

 

[Wyse]

My pick for co-showrunner would've been Robbie Thompson, who wrote the three best episodes of the last two seasons: "Fan Fiction," "Baby," & "Don't Call Me Shurley."

Me, too, but Robbie is leaving Supernatural for a different show. Dabb isn't bad and is probably the best writer they have left once Thompson goes (aside from Rob Berens, but he's too new).

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

Me, too, but Robbie is leaving Supernatural for a different show. Dabb isn't bad and is probably the best writer they have left once Thompson goes (aside from Rob Berens, but he's too new).

I hadn't heard he was leaving. What show is he going to?

 

[Wyse]

I hadn't heard he was leaving. What show is he going to?

I don't think he's said yet, but he's writing three comic series for Marvel and at a Q&A this weekend he was asked:

"AND FINALLY, WHAT ARE HIS PLANS? well the Firestarter show he was working on for TNT is no longer his–he wrote the pilot, but isn’t on the project anymore. (tip for writers–write your own properties!!) What he IS going to do is write more comics!! Hopefully some creator-owned comics. [I have never been so excited to hear the phrase “creator-owned comics” in my life, oh my gosh, what is he even going to do, I CANNOT wait!] Also he has a pilot he’s working on for a cable network but he can’t talk about it! And he’s also planning on a lot of naps. And he’s “gotta play the new Uncharted.”"

I'll miss the guy. He was the most reliable and accessible writer on the show. Why can't Buckner and Lemming move on instead? Their scripts are awful.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

I don't think he's said yet, but he's writing three comic series for Marvel and at a Q&A this weekend he was asked:

"AND FINALLY, WHAT ARE HIS PLANS? well the Firestarter show he was working on for TNT is no longer his–he wrote the pilot, but isn’t on the project anymore. (tip for writers–write your own properties!!) What he IS going to do is write more comics!! Hopefully some creator-owned comics. [I have never been so excited to hear the phrase “creator-owned comics” in my life, oh my gosh, what is he even going to do, I CANNOT wait!] Also he has a pilot he’s working on for a cable network but he can’t talk about it! And he’s also planning on a lot of naps. And he’s “gotta play the new Uncharted.”"

I'll miss the guy. He was the most reliable and accessible writer on the show. Why can't Buckner and Lemming move on instead? Their scripts are awful.

Agree about Buckner and Ross-Leming. I groan whenever I see their names in the "written by" credit of a show (although this week's episode by them was actually pretty great). That writing team and Charmelo/Snyder are worst duos to write for Supernatural ever.

As for Thompson, he could still write for the show and develop a pilot at the same time. He wrote that pilot for The Shop (the Firestarter show mentioned in that piece you quoted) years ago while on-staff for Supernatural; he could repeat that here -- work on the pilot and continue to deliver scripts for Supernatural. At least, that's my hope.

 

[tnpir4002]

^that's like the least important thing to me, actually. To each his own.

I know, I know, it's a minor thing and I've been going on about it for two seasons now, but still...it was such a game-changing moment at the end of season 8, and while without it we wouldn't have gotten episodes like "Inside Man" (since nothing would've stopped Cas from zapping right into Heaven at will), it seems like something they should've taken care of long before now. Part of it is the hemming and hawing about messing with the natural order of things--we saw the natural order as far as angels went for eight years, and in the three seasons since, they haven't made much effort to actually undo The Fall.

Which results in things like demons being able to zap around and angels not. That just feels wrong to me.

 

[Phoenix219]

That's a plotline that I really want them to resolve...it's been bothering me ever since they failed to resolve it in season 9. They acknowledged it openly earlier in the season that without wings Cas still can't teleport or do half the things angels are supposed to be able to do, and with Metatron gone Chuck is pretty much the only one that can do it. I have this hunch we've only got him for a short time, so hopefully he'll go ahead and do it.

I am pretty sure this was done to make them less powerful, as with allies like that, things can become a little bit too easy. Its just a plot device to neuter the angels (but not the villains)... nothing more. Lucifer can still 'port, but no one else can.

 

[Phoenix219]

Totally on board with Bob Singer resuming his co-showrunner duties, but I have reservations about Andrew Dabb being the other half of that duo.

Dabb wrote some enjoyable episodes when he was teamed with Daniel Loflin; his solo efforts have been hit or miss. Example: he wrote the infamous "Bloodlines" -- the back-door pilot episode for a potential spinoff. The less said about that, the better.

My pick for co-showrunner would've been Robbie Thompson, who wrote the three best episodes of the last two seasons: "Fan Fiction," "Baby," & "Don't Call Me Shurley."

Though maybe it's a good thing Thompson wasn't promoted to showrunner. Supernatural's past showrunners tend to write fewer scripts per season than other members of the writing staff and, without the extra responsibilities of being showrunner, he can maintain his typical output of episodes.

I"ll say this, though; the imbd board is *very* concerned with these two as showrunners, and believe that they have been quoted as being rather anti Dean, or as valuing Sam over Dean, and that the show has a history of taking Dean moments and either giving his quest to Sam, or having Sam end up doing the same things, only better or easier. It seems to have been quite divisive. I'm just going to hope for the best....



It seems like I am the only person that really, really dislikes the Chuck as God reveal. Chuck was always great as a writer-creator insert for all the meta stuff, but as an in-universe god, it leaves a ton lacking. It completely ruins Chuck's character from before (really? he needed an archangel to protect him? he was freaking out and having visions? He dated Becky? but was God the whole time? huh?)
and ruins the ending of him ascending to heaven as a prophet when his job was done in season 5. He had no idea what he was writing was coming true. All of his past appearances are now *absolutely pointless*. Personally, I always hoped for God as Jeffrey Dean Morgan - how much more epic would the line where Chuck tells Dean NOT to confuse him with his father.... if it was coming from the meatsuit of their father?

God should have been kept vague... maybe revealed in the last episode of the show. The mystery of how and why he had disappeared could have been done differently and better in my opinion. Was he the gardener Joshua? Was he really Death? A fan theory that i always *loved* was that God was "missing" because he was incarnate on Earth and fighting for the weak and downtrodden, experiencing His creation first hand, but *totally clueless*. What character has walked in Heaven, Hell and Purgatory, befriended Vampires, and will always take the weight of the world on his shoulders and is always willing to sacrifice himself for the innocent?

Chuck was the easy way out, and entirely predictable. Meh.

 

[Kemaiku]

The spell might well have removed the doors of Heaven, or fused them shut in a way that all the Angels smiting force can't cut through. With their wings burned off their Grace must be fairly low by now. They said the combined souls Heaven and Hell collected were where the power came from.

Unless Chuckie opens a new Way up there, Angels are going to starve to a thin wavelength of unrecoverable background energy someday if they stay on Earth, or remain alive by never leaing Heaven at all.

 

[tnpir4002]

Watching tonight's show and about 40 minutes of the way into the hour, and all I can say is...

...holy FRACK is this good stuff or what? Seriously, this is how you do an episode of Supernatural.

 

[Snaploud]

The Chuck-as-God episodes have definitely been the highlight of post-season-five Supernatural. Let's hope the season finale doesn't disappoint.