Supernatural 7x23"Survival of the Fittest" spoiler discussion thread

[Dorian Thompson]

Season finale tonight, good people. Can you believe how it's flown by? I sure can't. I have to work tonight. Late to the party, as usual. Have fun with it.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

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Our final Friday night Supernatural thread. Bring on Wednesday!

 

[Snick27]

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Going to miss Dick, was a good bad guy.

The episode itself felt flat and too padded. Really nothing happened till the last min.

Really hope next seasons they get better writers cause honestly this whole season was lame.

Honest felt the writers went in wrong direction. How about the Leviathans going after those in heaven and eating their souls.

Something different for a change lol

O well here to next season , when ever that is.

oh wouldnt it of sucked if this was the final episode lol.

 

[startrekwatcher]

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I was bored so I watched the finale--meh it was the weakest and worst of all 7 season finales. First off a finale should have some tension and excitement but instead this one just was absolutely lifeless--it just seemed to go on forever with no eneregy.

And my how the mighty have fallen--this show really has turned into camp. Did we really need those interminable scenes played for laughs involving Dick and Crowley haggling over details in their deal? Ooh bring in the skinny girl to show how the Levis are going to eradicate skinny people--ha ha...Not!

And it seemed like they dumped onto the audience the Levi's stages of implementing their plan then end the threat minutes later zapping any terror or jeopardy that the idea may have had--for what was hyped up as a real threat--the Leviathans were corny B-movie villains that I couldn't take seriously--even worse Dick was a L-A-M-E villain--more a jester or clown than a serious adversary.

Crowley is boring to watch anymore. Castiel's Rain Man routine is grating.

I was remembering past season finales like S1 or S4 but Sera just wasn't trying with this one. RIP Supernatural--the CW needed to burn your bones.

 

[Captain Mike]

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Going to miss Dick, was a good bad guy.

The episode itself felt flat and too padded. Really nothing happened till the last min.

Please define "too padded"....It had Crowley formulating yet another plan that only helps himself, Cass still refusing to help at first, Sam and Dean saying goodbye to someone they so obviously love and what an ending...

Really hope next seasons they get better writers cause honestly this whole season was lame.

Honest felt the writers went in wrong direction. How about the Leviathans going after those in heaven and eating their souls.

They did. Did you even watch the whole episode?...Everyone from Cass's garrison was either dead or in hiding.

Something different for a change lol

O well here to next season , when ever that is.

oh wouldnt it of sucked if this was the final episode lol.

You are in luck,...it was renewed.

 

[Captain Mike]

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I was bored so I watched the finale--meh it was the weakest and worst of all 7 season finales. First off a finale should have some tension and excitement but instead this one just was absolutely lifeless--it just seemed to go on forever with no eneregy.

And my how the mighty have fallen--this show really has turned into camp. Did we really need those interminable scenes played for laughs involving Dick and Crowley haggling over details in their deal? Ooh bring in the skinny girl to show how the Levis are going to eradicate skinny people--ha ha...Not!

And it seemed like they dumped onto the audience the Levi's stages of implementing their plan then end the threat minutes later zapping any terror or jeopardy that the idea may have had--for what was hyped up as a real threat--the Leviathans were corny B-movie villains that I couldn't take seriously--even worse Dick was a L-A-M-E villain--more a jester or clown than a serious adversary.

Crowley is boring to watch anymore. Castiel's Rain Man routine is grating.

I was remembering past season finales like S1 or S4 but Sera just wasn't trying with this one. RIP Supernatural--the CW needed to burn your bones.

And Supercritic has spoken,...all hail Supercritic!!!!...

 

[Snaploud]

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Yeah, that was pretty weak for a Supernatural season finale. I enjoyed the rest of the season, though, even if the over-all story arc left much to be desired.

 

[Joe Washington]

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• I felt this finale was weak. It didn't have the dramatic intensity of past season finales. It had the feeling of a prelude to something else.
• Dean ending up in Purtagory is interesting. But I have grown sick and tired of the whole Sam-Dean separation thing. It's been done more than once in the show's past already. It's time for something different.
• Crowley screwing the brothers in the end was expected. But I have to admit Crowley doesn't have the menace of a Big Bad like Lucifer, YED, or Lilith. Even Eve had it and she was only around most of the second half of Season Six. I have always thought of Crowley as the Gul Dukat of the series. And I mean Gul Dukat of the early DS9 seasons and not the late seasons.
• Watching the finale made me think yet again that the show is still treading water ever since its natural endpoint in S5. I got a tired feeling from the show and its characters. In their own way, Cas and Bobby are shells of who they used to be. Sam and Dean's brotherly relationship lack an amount of the closeness they used to have. Sam and Dean look like they just want all of this supernatural crap to be over with so they lay down and rest in peace. They've barely had a break, starting with the beginning of Season Six.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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I thought it was rather good, myself. Better than I was expecting. Will discuss further tomorrow as I have to be up by 6 am and to work at 7 am.

 

[auntiehill]

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Meh. Not a great finale, as others have said. It seemed far too quick and easy. I was gutted that they finally got rid of Bobby--that really needed more time, frankly. I did notice, however, that Castiel was observing the whole thing, and death isn't always final on this show, so I can still hope. I always like Crowley, but him screwing over BOTH Dick and the boys is hardly a surprise.

I liked the look at Purgatory--that was interesting, and Cass seemed a bit like his old self for a minute. Oh well. I look forward to seeing what will happen next season.

 

[Snaploud]

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Maybe we'll find out ex-ghosts end up in Purgatory... That would certainly be a good reason to bring back Bobby.

 

[Brent]

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Best part of the episode Niki Wipf :P

Ok, first of all, Wayward Son is getting old now, it was unique when they first used it for a look back, but now it has been used too much. They need to find a new song to use for the flashbacks in the season.

Next, like others, this finale felt flat. It was the least amount of buildup in a season yet. There wasn't any excitement or fear of failure. You just kinda knew it was going to work. Yeah, there is that little twist about it sending them to Purgatory, but I still don't feel like they are really in danger. Somehow, someway, they'll find a way out. I'm not even sure I like the twist though. But yeah, I felt no tension in this episode, I wasn't on the edge of my seat for any of it. It just kinda happened as I expected it to.

S7 overall has been the weakest season of the series. I hope they can pull off an interesting season for S8, else this series is dead, and unfortunately I fear it will be cancelled when its bad, and not when its good. If it were up to me, end of S6 would have been the end of the series if I know how bad S7 was going to end up being.

 

[startrekwatcher]

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S5 was the perfectly organic endpoint for the series. Yes the season was highly uneven but "Swan Song" actually was the best way to have left the characters(Dean alone but trying to live a normal life with Lisa and Ben, Sam sacrificing himself and winding up in the Cage, Bobby dying a worthy death at the hands of a worthy adversary not some cornball like Dick--can anyone take a villain seriously with a name like that etc)--a nice bittersweet wrap up--now that they've stretched it out beyond its intended run I fear they'll have a hard time topping "Swan Song"

 

[mswood]

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What an odd little episode.

Now as someone who was never a big fan of the Levi's, except for in how they impact the lives of Sam and Dean. I never had an emotional attachment to them as the big Bad, unlike Azazel, Lilith, Lucifer or Castiel (and no Eve was never, ever the Big Bad for that season that was always Castiel).

But I did like the impact it had on their lives.

Seeing them really running from everything (even when Hendrickson was after them the most we saw this impact them was changing the license plates). And not just in myth heavy episodes, we see them squatting in all types of episodes.

I loved that they took Castiel away from them, I love that Bobby Died. Loved the emotional trauma that put upon them.

But with the bringing Bobby in as a Spirit, I was really, really sure the show would play ether two routes. One Bobby the friendly Ghost.

Pretty much after the guys see him back, it was clear the show wasn't going to forget what happens to spirits (on another board someone mentioned well how come Mary didn't go nuts, and the show perfectly underscored it. What pushed Bobby to quickly turn was vengeance, Mary never was around YED after she was killed).

Then I figured, well since the shows pushing the angry spirit route so quickly with Bobby, its going to be Bobby doing something heroic that helps save the day before his spirit is destroyed.

But nothing even close. The show played it, not for plot, but solely for character. I LOVED that. Can't, can't tell you how much I loved that.

Of course, they keep Castiel of to the corner as a hint that perhaps Bobby will be back. I hope that this doesn't take place. Not because I dislike Bobby (quite the opposite, I think Bobby is my favorite heroic reoccurring character that show has ever had). But the weight (hell the double whammy of his death) needs for him to stay dead to mean anything.

As I mentioned a couple episodes back, I thought the show was laying the ground work for Crowley to be a big threat (perhaps not the Big Bad guy) but a Big Threat for next year. And it does look like that is what the show is pushing for. I have no problem with that.

As for Dick and how easy it was to defeat him, well that has always been an easy with the show. Be it a single shot from the colt to kill YED, a SLucifer in his Sam suit beating the living hell out of Dean (bringing Sam back into control), to Sam killing Lilith. The actual demise of the Villains has never taken much time, its always been the getting there that takes time.

As Crowley puts it to Sam, they are basically just monsters, tough and hard to kill but just monsters. And without the direct connection to Sam or Dean (that did occur with Azazel , Lilith, Lucifer and Castiel had with Sam and Dean) frankly they were never going to interest me much.

But it did disappoint in that regard, even for this show. Seriously that aspect of the episode is a big fat D for me.

What did work exceptionally well was the two codas. THe one with Sam and Crowley (though I have a comment about that) and with Dean and Castiel in Purgatory.

Heck just the visual look of Purgatory was a nice thing to see.

So I get a finale with the resolution of plot that fell fairly flat to me, to a plot that never really interested me much in the first place. But I also get a episode that I actually like almost every single scene that wasn't at Supracore (or whatever the hell that business was named).

C+.

Onto the one serious issue with the coda. Crowley is there with Sam. And he lets Sam live.

As much as I bitched about Sam and Dean being stupid to trust the girl, this, this is so much worse.

Lets just assume that God for example removed Sam's ability to gain abilities from Demon blood. Crowley wouldn't know that, heck Castiel wouldn't know that. And we know dying alone doesn't remove it (Sam's died many a times), we know no demon even their ruler can remove it (Hello Lilith certainly would have), we know Angels can't (certainly several would have jumped at that over the years). That leaves God or Death as beings who probably have the ability to do so. Would Death? I don't think Death would care. God? I could see God doing that just like God cleaned him up in season five. ANd I could see God doing it as a reward for going to hell, even.

But, BUt if that is the case. Crowley wouldn't know that.

Sam is strong enough to kill the ruler of Hell (and we know he can be even stronger then he was when he killed Lilith (just hosting Lucifer required more power). AARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH.

 

[Roshi]

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I had almost forgotten what the Impala looked like!

 

[LaxScrutiny]

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A quick recap of the season: I liked the Levi's and at our house we all would giggle at their antics and say "Ha! I love this guy!" They were just monsters after all, cocky, arrogant, narcissistic, and they carried the same humourous tone that Crowley used to.

I really liked everything with Bobby this year. His death was poignant, I felt it like the brothers did. His episode with his reaper had weight. The appearances leading up to his ghost presence were teasers, we knew, the boys didn't, it left me wonder when and how they would figure it out. The story was never quite obvious. I was fooled by a couple of things, the big one being I was sure the evil ghost that basically powered him up would play a part in his downfall, but no, he's gone. Like mswood, I thought Bobby would play a part in Dick's downfall, but no, they just let him go. All in all, this was a big story arc for the season, it hit all the right notes and it was well played. This arc alone makes me scratch my head when I read how the show has lost it; the Bobby arc was chilling, it was far from mainstream crap TV.

I do agree the finale was a little flat, and it shouldn't have been. An example, bringing back the Impala, that scene should have hit me, but it didn't. It was a great idea, but something about the way the scenes were shot and cut and timed just didn't put the thrill in it that it should have.

The bait and switch that Crowley pulled on Dick with the blood, it makes sense after I slept on it, but it just didn't work as a plot device while watching. Crowley gave the boys both blood samples, the boys had two thigh bones, they used the first fake bone because, after all, Dick is a powerful monster, and you don't get a chance to just walk up and stab him. Unless he can see the bone and sense it's just a bone. But there wasn't any edge to that scene, it just played and I was "Oh. OK." Maybe it would have worked better if Sam had hit him with the fake bone, and Dean was behind him with the real one. Kind of a "Why are you laughing?" moment.

So on the whole, the finale had the right idea, and the right parts, but the execution was just a bit too bland and linear.

Oh, I liked Wayward Son, but I thought the clips weren't as thrilling as they could have been. The montage isn't just a recap, it's kind of a "best of," and they missed that this time.

 

[Vendikarr]

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I like the thought of Dean in Purgatory. Dean has been killing monsters for at least half his life. And now he is in the place where monsters go when they die.

I wonder if Eve is back in Purgatory, and what her reaction to Dean being on her home field will be.

 

[Captain Mike]

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I like the thought of Dean in Purgatory. Dean has been killing monsters for at least half his life. And now he is in the place where monsters go when they die.

I wonder if Eve is back in Purgatory, and what her reaction to Dean being on her home field will be.

Exactly. Just how many of the monsters and spirits the boys have killed will be in Purgatory (that is if that is where they go when it is done) and if Dean will be running into some of them.

 

[Sagart]

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Was it just me or did Cas seem to be back to his old self in that brief purgatory scene? Also, although purgatory seems nasty, it can't be any worse than Hell ( it seems to be a SPN version of the Phantom Zone). There wasn't any real sense of threat in this finale, certainly not compared to previous seasons. At the minute, I'll be watching season 8 out of loyalty rather than desire.

 

[Icemizer]

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Not thrilled with the final as it did feel a bit flat. A couple of good points, Bobby and the return of the car, but otherwise nothing thrilling. I chalk this up to bad villian syndrome for the whole season. Without any personal ties to the boys the villian is just generic and dull and so it was with this season.
It did seem the old Cas was back in the purgatory scene.